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wow, other than working with Reagan, Rollins only other success in life was getting Christie Todd Whitman elected governor of New Jersey (but only after suppressing black voter turnout).

I know we're not supposed to shoot the messenger, but sometimes they're just too tempting a target.
 
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i think those weapons are in syria, hussein (not president elect hussein O) had plenty of time to send them to syria. Israeli intel said that.

as for Abu Ghraib scandal, my goodness, it wasn't worse than some fraternity initiation. i know those soldier should have been professionals and disciplined and there is no excuse for what they did, but those prisoners were tortured or killed. i know if it was the other way around, iraq would not have a bunch of American prisoners, they would have all been tortured and killed. this piece came from nowhere.
 
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Seven soldiers were charged and convicted with maltreatment, aggravated assault and battery. Manadel al-Jamadi's (a prisoner being "interrogated") death was ruled a homicide by the US Military courts. The Taguba Report (military inquiry) found credible evidence that prisoners were burned with phosphoric material, assaulted regularly, sexually assaulted, harassed with and on occasion bitten by dogs, and one prisoner was sodomized with a baton. That's just from the US military.
 
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666 said:
Seven soldiers were charged and convicted with maltreatment, aggravated assault and battery. Manadel al-Jamadi's (a prisoner being "interrogated") death was ruled a homicide by the US Military courts. The Taguba Report (military inquiry) found credible evidence that prisoners were burned with phosphoric material, assaulted regularly, sexually assaulted, harassed with and on occasion bitten by dogs, and one prisoner was sodomized with a baton. That's just from the US military.
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Tough sh*t! That comes with being the enemy.

I'm sure all those "tortured" souls were USA friendly, peace loving, innocent victims of the Bush regime.
 
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SavageOrangeJug said:
Tough sh*t! That comes with being the enemy.

I'm sure all those "tortured" souls were USA friendly, peace loving, innocent victims of the Bush regime.
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im sure these thugs cared a whole lot about david pearl when they decapitated him, but im sure he got a good meal before, and the knife was steralized, and he had good legal consult before they did their turkey yell and CUT HIS HEAD OFF!!!! These are the people we are dealing with, the only reasoning that can be had with them is with an m-16 of some other kind of cool explosive
 
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Most of the people detained at Abu Ghraib have been innocent prior to and after the abuse scandal, hence the releasing of large amounts of detainees (up to 1000 at once) at times.
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
im sure these thugs cared a whole lot about david pearl when they decapitated him, but im sure he got a good meal before, and the knife was steralized, and he had good legal consult before they did their turkey yell and CUT HIS HEAD OFF!!!! These are the people we are dealing with, the only reasoning that can be had with them is with an m-16 of some other kind of cool explosive
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The difference between you and me is that I don't condone torture or murder by any side, whereas you do.
 
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I dont know if anyone else is a 24 fan, but i am. This season started off with Jack Bower in a senate meeting where he was being questioned about his conduct in dealing with terrorists. It brings up a good point. We ask that certain people protect our country, and protect its citizens, however if they cross a "line" with a few people in relation to the millions saved then they are looked at as criminals. It creates a ridiculous duality. One one had do what it takes to protect our country, however if certain people dont agree with your methods then you could be considered a war criminal?? I dont care how its done, i just want to see results.
 
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666 said:
The difference between you and me is that I don't condone torture or murder by any side, whereas you do.
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well the way i see it, if a terroist is captured, they are gulity, they were fully willing to carry out whatever plot to do whatever. If i had a 9 iron and my 2 year old son's life depended on getting information from derka derka mohmmad, a known terrorist, then im goin tiger woods on him
 
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Article in WPO regarding tourture

The top Bush administration official in charge of deciding whether to bring Guantanamo Bay detainees to trial has concluded that the U.S. military tortured a Saudi national who allegedly planned to participate in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, interrogating him with techniques that included sustained isolation, sleep deprivation, nudity and prolonged exposure to cold, leaving him in a "life-threatening condition."
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washingtonpost.com

heaven forbid... this guy tries to kill Americans, we catch him and keep him locked up nude in a cell with the lights on.
 
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666 said:
The difference between you and me is that I don't condone torture or murder by any side, whereas you do.
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The difference between you and me is, I don't believe in letting the enemy play by no rules, while we maintain a sense of fair play.

You fight treachery with a vicious, cold blooded ruthlessness that stuns your friends and enemies alike.
 
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SavageOrangeJug said:
The difference between you and me is, I don't believe in letting the enemy play by no rules, while we maintain a sense of fair play.

You fight treachery with a vicious, cold blooded ruthlessness that stuns your friends and enemies alike.
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and the choir sang, AMEN
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
well the way i see it, if a terroist is captured, they are gulity, they were fully willing to carry out whatever plot to do whatever. If i had a 9 iron and my 2 year old son's life depended on getting information from derka derka mohmmad, a known terrorist, then im goin tiger woods on him
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That's the same line of skewed reasoning terrorists use to justify their actions. They view western nations meddling in the middle east in the past and present, stationing military bases around their holy areas, and creating and supporting Israel as acts of aggression against their culture and religion. In their mind they are "doing whatever it takes" to achieve their goals because they have their backs on the wall to them. The issue is complied ten fold because the terrorists come for society's built around a very dedicated religion. This doesn't make them right, but in their mind they're doing what they can.
 
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666 said:
That's the same line of skewed reasoning terrorists use to justify their actions. They view western nations meddling in the middle east in the past and present, stationing military bases around their holy areas, and creating and supporting Israel as acts of aggression against their culture and religion. In their mind they are "doing whatever it takes" to achieve their goals because they have their backs on the wall to them. The issue is complied ten fold because the terrorists come for society's built around a very dedicated religion. This doesn't make them right, but in their mind they're doing what they can.
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when diplomacy fails (which in the middle east has for thousands of years) then you have to take off the dress shoes and put on the workboots and go kick some ass
 
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666 said:
That's the same line of skewed reasoning terrorists use to justify their actions. They view western nations meddling in the middle east in the past and present, stationing military bases around their holy areas, and creating and supporting Israel as acts of aggression against their culture and religion. In their mind they are "doing whatever it takes" to achieve their goals because they have their backs on the wall to them. The issue is complied ten fold because the terrorists come for society's built around a very dedicated religion. This doesn't make them right, but in their mind they're doing what they can.
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This pathetic pacifist view somehow condones their skirting the Geneva Convention, but you want us following it to the T in dealing with their self described terrorists.

That's stupid. These aren't enemy soldiers. They're mercenary terrorists. Kill every swinging one of them and the world is a better place for the lesson.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
This pathetic pacifist view somehow condones their skirting the Geneva Convention, but you want us following it to the T in dealing with their self described terrorists.

That's stupid. These aren't enemy soldiers. They're mercenary terrorists. Kill every swinging one of them and the world is a better place for the lesson.
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exactly,,,
 
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666 said:
That's the same line of skewed reasoning terrorists use to justify their actions. They view western nations meddling in the middle east in the past and present, stationing military bases around their holy areas, and creating and supporting Israel as acts of aggression against their culture and religion. In their mind they are "doing whatever it takes" to achieve their goals because they have their backs on the wall to them. The issue is complied ten fold because the terrorists come for society's built around a very dedicated religion. This doesn't make them right, but in their mind they're doing what they can.
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At least there is one intelligent poster here. No wonder Bush doesnt get it. Look at his supporters. Anyone who condones torture and murder is not a Christian and not a good person. The US is above things like this, thats why we are great. Terrorist or not no one should be murdered and tortured. If they have a trial and the evidence proves they have actually done something and they get the death penalty thats different.
 
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k-town_king said:
At least there is one intelligent poster here. No wonder Bush doesnt get it. Look at his supporters. Anyone who condones torture and murder is not a Christian and not a good person. The US is above things like this, thats why we are great. Terrorist or not no one should be murdered and tortured. If they have a trial and the evidence proves they have actually done something and they get the death penalty thats different.
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why do they deserve a trial? how is trial going to stop further acts? These people ARENT AMERICAN CITIZENS therefore are not protected under the constitution. Yes lets run these people through our legal system where a murder can get off because of some stupid red tape issue, you are talking as if these people share some kind of the same values as we do. These are the dumbasses that strap bombs to themselves to kill themselves as well as others. like i said, if torturing a terrorist in order to protect my 2 year old son from being killed while hes at daycare, im all for it. that terrorist had their chance to work out their problems rationally, but they chose otherwise. This freakin pushover attitude we are having torwards these terrorist worring about this crap is riciculous, My pawpaw is spinning circles in his grave as im sure many WW2 vets that have passed on as well are doin, they didnt fight and die so we, as a country, can become a bunch of lovey-dovey pansies. IMO sometimes you have to sit down the Bible and pick up the rifle..
 
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BigPapaVol said:
That's funny. The two most idiotic posters in the thread congratulating one another. Delicious.
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Im pretty sure my IQ is higher than yours. Since all through school I was at the top of my classes and had some of the highest test scores in the state( 98 percentile). Your statement is funny. We "libs" are known for being academics. The repubs dont exactly embrace education. Anyway, anyone who CLAIMS to be a christian cant condone torture. And yes everyone deserves due process. Many that have been retained have been releasd because they didnt do anything. So we should kill and touture the innocent? How is that any better than Saddam Hussein or any other dictator? Some of you people are crazy.
 
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k-town_king said:
Im pretty sure my IQ is higher than yours. Since all through school I was at the top of my classes and had some of the highest test scores in the state( 98 percentile). Your statement is funny. We "libs" are known for being academics. The repubs dont exactly embrace education. Anyway, anyone who CLAIMS to be a christian cant condone torture. And yes everyone deserves due process. Many that have been retained have been releasd because they didnt do anything. So we should kill and touture the innocent? How is that any better than Saddam Hussein or any other dictator? Some of you people are crazy.
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your academic commentary is funny as hell. If you'd like to make a serious comparison, I'll be happy to via PM. By the by, I went to one of the most liberal spots in the world for grad school and the smartest guys there were conservative. Odd, huh?
 
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k-town_king said:
Im pretty sure my IQ is higher than yours. Since all through school I was at the top of my classes and had some of the highest test scores in the state( 98 percentile). Your statement is funny. We "libs" are known for being academics. The repubs dont exactly embrace education. Anyway, anyone who CLAIMS to be a christian cant condone torture. And yes everyone deserves due process. Many that have been retained have been releasd because they didnt do anything. So we should kill and touture the innocent? How is that any better than Saddam Hussein or any other dictator? Some of you people are crazy.
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well of course telling us your pedigree validates your point over mine, awesome. Im just saying that in certain cases that certain things have to be done, they may not be pretty, but they must be done, and im all for it. Im all about me and my family, i dont give a damn about ole derka derka, do what it takes. whatever you think that makes me is what I am. There are a few things i will not sacrifice
 
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