This winter is killing two of the biggest scare tactic lies ever told...

#127
#127
VolInMn said:
Making policy decisions based on beliefs with no proof is a bad idea, doncha think?
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It's a bad idea to impose policies that would tax businesses on how much CO2 they release. This would be a jobs and complete economic disaster. There is 0 proof that this garbage is true. But I know how much you libs like to take other people's money. This whole thing is about 2 things, Al Gore and his tree hugging friends can get rich off of selling carbon credits, companies like GE can get rich off of selling those light bulbs that cost like $10 for 4 of them and so they can redistribute the wealth around the world.
 
#128
#128
lawgator1 said:
So we should exaggerate the effect on the world economy because of an insatiable appetite?
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When they impose a big tax on corporations who release CO2 that would kill jobs and raise prices on goods, corporations don't pay taxes. Plus India and China release way more into the atmosphere than we do, so us putting in these policies would only hurt us.
 
#131
#131
VolInMn said:
So you'd also agree that making policy decisions regarding Israel (or anything else for that matter) from faith based beliefs is ridiculous, too, I assume.
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I don't want the federal gov't making policies around faith based beliefs, I want the states making those policies. I want us to protect and help defend all of our allies. Not sure how these are related, but there you have it.
 
#132
#132
kev20 said:
serious question.....why do you guys presonally care so much about this topic?
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Because liberals want to destroy our economy due to this false belief. And make no mistake about it, that is their main purpose in pushing this lie.
 
#133
#133
lawgator1 said:
Look, I don't know if 40 or 50 years is enough data. I don't know if the 130 year old data of your great grand uncle reading the mercury thermometer outside the barn is valid and usable.

But its what we have. It would be foolish to blow it off.

On the other hand, jumping to the conclusion that there is no global warming because, at the moment, its freakin cold outside, is just so ridiculous its hard to put it into words.
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Why do you continually try to pigeon hole those who disagree with you on this subject by saying they don't believe in Climate change for one reason (cold outside)? To me that seems every bit as ridiculous as you believe they are if not more. They have stated other reasons they do not believe.

For what it's worth I'm not convinced either way, I'm sitting on the fence but I am opposed to plans that would hamstring our economy, cost tax payers billions and very likely do little or nothing towards this problem if in fact man does have a serious effect on global climate.
 
#136
#136
lawgator1 said:
So we should exaggerate the effect on the world economy because of an insatiable appetite?
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i don't think it's an exageration. if the world economy implemented the type of restrictions obama wants in the US i seriously think we will go into a global depression. even if we are the cause of global warming can we really stop it at this point?
 
#139
#139
nickknx865 said:
So, I'll chime in here.

My personal opinion is this. Climate change is happening, and occurring at this point. That much, I'll agree with. However, I honestly don't think that it is man's fault for such change. Or at least that we're the only reason and that nothing else the Earth might be doing could be causing. I don't think that about 200 years of an industrialized world could cause such a drastic change in the atmosphere without at least a little help from Mother Earth.

Also, I honestly don't think we have enough measurable data to determine if what is happening now is just a cycle in the Earth's long history, or indeed, a oddity in the atmosphere. We only have about 150 years of daily measureables(high temps, low temps, humidity, air pressure, etc.), and I think it would take a lot more years or measurable data to determine if such a thing is anthropogenic or not.

Just my .02
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Good observation. Here is a book I think you would enjoy. Fred Singer was asked how other scientists viewed the "Unstoppable Global Warming" book and he replied that they all asked why he was messing with their funding.
Amazon.com: unstoppable global warming: Books
 
#140
#140
the funding issue should not be overlooked. "we can't really prove it" isn't going to get the dollars rolling in from the liberal foundations that fund this type of research, nor is "i think it's all bs"
 
#141
#141
droski said:
the funding issue should not be overlooked. "we can't really prove it" isn't going to get the dollars rolling in from the liberal foundations that fund this type of research, nor is "i think it's all bs"
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Very good point and a perfect illustration of how politicized this issue has become.
 
#143
#143
well when gov't agencies are intentionally not reporting data that could be used to show global warming isn't happening you know there are major politics at works. i'm not of the "it's a hoax" camp, but I do think that a lot of liberals and scientists have so much invested in it at this point that they wouldn't admit they were wrong even if overwelming evidence existed.
 
#147
#147
volfanjustin said:
And are you suggesting that we get more snow the warmer it is?
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This isn't a suggestion. It can be too cold for snow fall. Large snow events are more likely to happen in 20-32 degree weather than in 5 degree weather. They are just as improbable at -10 or -15 as they are at 38 degrees.

So-- now stick with me here, this is where you seem to get lost-- if we are somewhere where it normally is COLDER than those optimum snow temperatures for long stretches of time, like say the Northeast, a slight warming would INCREASE the likely-hood for snow.
 
#148
#148
kev20 said:
Global Warming Hoax: News
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If it's on the internet, it must be true.

I'll tell you what: pick something you feel to be proof against global climate change, and I'll tell you why it is crap. The same BS has been floating around for over a decade. There is nothing to the hardcore skepticism. The question isn't if there IS global climate change. The question isn't COULD it be influenced by people. The questions are how much and what can we do about it, if anything?
 
#149
#149
IPorange said:
If it's on the internet, it must be true.

I'll tell you what: pick something you feel to be proof against global climate change, and I'll tell you why it is crap. The same BS has been floating around for over a decade. There is nothing to the hardcore skepticism. The question isn't if there IS global climate change. The question isn't COULD it be influenced by people. The questions are how much and what can we do about it, if anything?
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and if you say it, it must be true.
 
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