Those gays disrupting the American family again...

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As a former Foster Parent in FL, I applaud the state for this decision.
 
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Fight in gay adoption case was 'whirlwind,' Florida man says - CNN.com

This is good to see, imo. The courts were right: there is NO rational basis for such rules.

Yes. There really is. Drop all the religious and moral reasons and you are still left with cold, hard statistics and studies.

Children raised in a home with their natural mother and father who are married to one another perform better in every single measure than any other group. Behind that group are those raised in a home with one parent married to a new spouse.

Cohabitating parents, a cohabitating parent with a different partner, and single parent homes led by a mother perform much worse.

The more frequently partners change, the worse the children do. No group shows less monogomous, stable, long term commitments than homosexuals and particularly homosexual men.

Studies have shown conclusively that children NEED a direct, constant, and intimate relationship with a mother and a father in order to develop properly. Two men or two women no matter how much they might want to... cannot provide everything the child needs emotionally.

This isn't something to be toyed with or some PC non-sense. This is the lives of children. NO ONE has a right to ruin a child's life just because they want to feel good about themselves.

When you post your angry response, don't just throw your opinions out... don't just accuse me of being "hateful" or whatever... SHOW YOUR TANGIBLE PROOF.

Are there rare anecdotal cases where homosexuals stay together faithfully for long periods? Yes. Could there be occasions when homosexuals would rear children well? Maybe. But the statistics and science are against both.

This ruling is absolute PC madness.
 
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When single moms are precluded from raising kids, you'll have an argument.
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When single moms are precluded from raising kids, you'll have an argument.
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Single moms should be and in some places are precluded from adopting children. As far as I know, homosexuals are not denied the right to rear their own children. The question is should the state put children in homes where they are statistically advantaged or not. These children are already disadvantaged.

This isn't just about love and affection. It is about emotional development and the socialization. Children NEED a mother and a father and perform best when it is their own parents in a marriage relationship.
 
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It's a question of best available option - if a kid can be adopted by a loving gay couple, be in foster care, or not be adopted I think the first option is the best option.
 
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It's a question of best available option - if a kid can be adopted by a loving gay couple, be in foster care, or not be adopted I think the first option is the best option.

Yes. The statistical disadvantage gibberish is crap when you're already in the foster system in the first place.
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As long as is is in an environment of two loving people, gay or not, is ok with me
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On a related note, thoughts on plural marriage?

Personally, I am generally against it. More often than not, it breeds child neglect and social welfare fraud.

However, I see nothing wrong with gay marriage. So to be honest, I would say let people do what they want to do as long as I'm not having to pay for it and the children aren't being neglected. That goes for plural, gay, and traditional marriages....despite my personal opinions on the matter.
 
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Adoption is one thing. Foster care is something completely different. Until rights are completely severed those kids still belong to their birth parents.
 
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Yes. There really is. Drop all the religious and moral reasons and you are still left with cold, hard statistics and studies.

Children raised in a home with their natural mother and father who are married to one another perform better in every single measure than any other group. Behind that group are those raised in a home with one parent married to a new spouse.

Cohabitating parents, a cohabitating parent with a different partner, and single parent homes led by a mother perform much worse.

The more frequently partners change, the worse the children do. No group shows less monogomous, stable, long term commitments than homosexuals and particularly homosexual men.

Studies have shown conclusively that children NEED a direct, constant, and intimate relationship with a mother and a father in order to develop properly. Two men or two women no matter how much they might want to... cannot provide everything the child needs emotionally.

This isn't something to be toyed with or some PC non-sense. This is the lives of children. NO ONE has a right to ruin a child's life just because they want to feel good about themselves.

When you post your angry response, don't just throw your opinions out... don't just accuse me of being "hateful" or whatever... SHOW YOUR TANGIBLE PROOF.

Are there rare anecdotal cases where homosexuals stay together faithfully for long periods? Yes. Could there be occasions when homosexuals would rear children well? Maybe. But the statistics and science are against both.

This ruling is absolute PC madness.

The vast majority of states already allow same sex couples to adopt. Florida was a distinct minority. So, this isn't some groundbreaking decision nationwide.
 
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Hey sjt,
Even been a foster child?
Ever been a foster parent?
Ever tried to adopt a foster child?
Ever tried to adopt a child period?
Ever been to a state run group home and had kids BEG you to be thier Dad?
 
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Hey sjt,
Even been a foster child?
Ever been a foster parent?
Ever tried to adopt a foster child?
Ever tried to adopt a child period?
Ever been to a state run group home and had kids BEG you to be thier Dad?

No, he was too busy gathering sociological and scientific data that he can't cite that says gays shouldn't adopt.
 
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When we were foster parents in FL, we tried to adopt three black brothers ages 7, 5 and 3. Thier black case worker would not approve us to adopt them because.......you guessed it....we are white. That was 4 years ago....well guess again.....thos e three boys are still in foster care.
Jesus says to love thy neighbor....that trumps any social norm statistic you can spew out.
So, my Christian brother, in the most christian way I can say this.....you need to shut the hell up.
 
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When we were foster parents in FL, we tried to adopt three black brothers ages 7, 5 and 3. Thier black case worker would not approve us to adopt them because.......you guessed it....we are white. That was 4 years ago....well guess again.....thos e three boys are still in foster care.
Jesus says to love thy neighbor....that trumps any social norm statistic you can spew out.
So, my Christian brother, in the most christian way I can say this.....you need to shut the hell up.

Excellent post.
 
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Single moms should be and in some places are precluded from adopting children. As far as I know, homosexuals are not denied the right to rear their own children. The question is should the state put children in homes where they are statistically advantaged or not. These children are already disadvantaged.

This isn't just about love and affection. It is about emotional development and the socialization. Children NEED a mother and a father and perform best when it is their own parents in a marriage relationship.

Step your ass up and adopt one of these kids then big guy. It is easy to spout your crap, put your family where your mouth is.
 
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Step your ass up and adopt one of these kids then big guy. It is easy to spout your crap, put your family where your mouth is.

You're right. I thought I would also add that he's 100% wrong. Every single state in the U.S. allows single parents to adopt. He's just pulling stuff out of his ass.
 
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No one wanted Jesus to talk to the whore at the well either. I guess that is wrong in your "book".
 
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On a related note, thoughts on plural marriage?

Personally, I am generally against it. More often than not, it breeds child neglect and social welfare fraud.

However, I see nothing wrong with gay marriage. So to be honest, I would say let people do what they want to do as long as I'm not having to pay for it and the children aren't being neglected. That goes for plural, gay, and traditional marriages....despite my personal opinions on the matter.

We are in our second year with our adopted son, the state stays involved to make sure the child is being cared for and is not in a bad/dangerous situation.
 

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