Those gays disrupting the American family again...

#26
#26
Sorry, as a Christian......can't leave those "duties" out.

If every two parent Christian family in this country would step up to the plate and do what God COMMANDS us to do. This would not be an issue. Since too many of us "Christians" are not doing that, these issues arise.
 
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And again, what does that have to do with gay foster parents or gay adoption?

I'm just trying to figure out where you're coming from with your argument with sjt...
 
#28
#28
State your stance, stop the "gottcha" crap....I have made mine pretty dang clear.

My first post states mine.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
And again, what does that have to do with gay foster parents or gay adoption?

I'm just trying to figure out where you're coming from with your argument with sjt...
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I am just telling him that if he is not willing to be part of the solution to these thousands of kids that need homes, stop spouting off about it.
 
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Being a foster home and knowing how the system works aginst these kids, they are better off with any home that will love and take care of them. Most foster homes are only in it for the pay check.
 
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Not sure if the "gotcha" comment was directed at me or not. I'm not trying to pull a "gotcha" on you. You said you applaud a decision that allows for gays to foster and adopt. SJT commented on statistics about families in this area. You comment on why you did it - because of a Biblical influence. I'm merely asking what does a Biblical influence have to do with gay foster care and adoption? If anything, it would have the opposite effect as to what I guess is your point.
 
#32
#32
All I am saying is that if you do not know the inner workings of the foster care system, especially in FL where it is the most corrupt, then stop with all the "perfect world" stats.
These kids just want to feel like someone, ANYONE actually wants them. They know that foster homes and group homes are not permanent. They long for attachment and that FAR outweighs the homophobic issues.
 
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Maybe I've lost my religion....I just don't see any future in legislating morality. I'm always caught in the middle of the whole gay debate. In an ideal world there is little doubt that biology dictates that an ideal family is a man, a woman and children.

I also think deep down that there is an attempt for gays to find a sense of normalcy. They don't need a conservative christian to explain that their behavior is deviant. I often wonder if sociological acceptance is really going to change that.
 
#34
#34
I agree Lex, the fight has gone on long enough and is really a no win for all involved. Better to live and let live, there really is no sense in continuing the argument that gay lifestyle is somehow detrimental to society, if you aren't gay it simply doesn't effect you in any real sense.
 
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T-TownVol said:
When we were foster parents in FL, we tried to adopt three black brothers ages 7, 5 and 3. Thier black case worker would not approve us to adopt them because.......you guessed it....we are white. That was 4 years ago....well guess again.....thos e three boys are still in foster care.
Jesus says to love thy neighbor....that trumps any social norm statistic you can spew out.
So, my Christian brother, in the most christian way I can say this.....you need to shut the hell up.
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I'm glad to know someone else will tell a brother this besides me. :)

There's actually a family in my church that has fostered and now adopted 3 black boys now ages 9-12. And those boys are awesome and I am fully looking forward to the day I see one of them holding Little Me. They are now in the process of fostering another child because as the mom said "we have an open room".

My wife and I are talking about adopting a child in a few years. We want to have one more of our own, but if we're about to after that, in 8-10 years I've got a feeling we're adopting.
 
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I am definitely in support of anyone being able to adopt, if they are capable of being a good parent to the kid. I'd like to believe that with more adoptive parents available, potential abortions might be given a second thought.
My family adopted my sister from a woman who had already had an abortion. The lady eventually had another kid, and gave that up for adoption, too.
 
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#37
i'm a definete beleiver that kids are better off with a father and a mother, but unfortunetely there aren't enough of those to go around. outside of some teasing in school and the lack of a male/female influence i don't really see the problem. certainly not really different than a single mom or something. probably better.
 
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droski said:
i'm a definete beleiver that kids are better off with a father and a mother, but unfortunetely there are enough of those to go around. outside of some teasing in school and the lack of a male/female influence i don't really see the problem. certainly not really different than a single mom or something. probably better.
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Correction. There ARE enough to go around. Many are just involved in other pursuits. Kids are a burden to some and statuses to others. Worse yet, some parents treat kids more like pets than their offspring.

Another point - people loving kids does not necessarily make them good parents. I know a lot of people who love kids but would make horrible parents. When you do a homestudy to adopt, etc. they are not primarily focused on whether you can love the kids or not. This is expected. They are concerned with the sort of homelife you provide.

As I told T-Town as a Christian I've gone back and forth with my fellow Christians on this whole issue - actually this is probably my driving issue that consumes most of my personal time. My fellow Christians might get upset over this whole issue. In that regard I agree. BUT the response I question. Are they going to sit back and complain? Protest? March on the capitol? OR are they going to do something about it? If even a fraction of traditional Christian families in this country adopted or fostered, there would be no issue here.
 
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droski said:
sorry taht should have read there are not enough of those to go around. my screwup.
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I got what you meant. Your intent is what I commented on. There ARE enough but just not willing...and for me that is a huge problem. But I digress....a topic all in itself.
 
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my wife's aunt is a foster mom (not the annoying attentionwhore version we have here) and it is very noble. I don't know how she does it. These kids are really screwed up and a lot of them are not easy to deal with at all. Speaking from someone who is about to have kids very soon, I'd have a hard problem chosing adoption unless we were infertile. I praise anyone willing to do it. gay or straight.
 
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T-TownVol said:
We are in our second year with our adopted son, the state stays involved to make sure the child is being cared for and is not in a bad/dangerous situation.
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That's awesome. Like I said, I don't care who adopts who, as long as people have the resources and love to give.
 
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sjt18 said:
When you post your angry response, don't just throw your opinions out... don't just accuse me of being "hateful" or whatever... SHOW YOUR TANGIBLE PROOF.
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Don't project your emotions onto me. And I believe you are the one saying it's wrong. Doesn't that place the burden of proof on you? If it's so terrible, it should be easy to do.
 
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droski said:
my wife's aunt is a foster mom (not the annoying attentionwhore version we have here) and it is very noble. I don't know how she does it. These kids are really screwed up and a lot of them are not easy to deal with at all. Speaking from someone who is about to have kids very soon, I'd have a hard problem chosing adoption unless we were infertile. I praise anyone willing to do it. gay or straight.
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adoption at the hospital is a very good option. Happens regularly.
 
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KB5252 said:
I agree Lex, the fight has gone on long enough and is really a no win for all involved. Better to live and let live, there really is no sense in continuing the argument that gay lifestyle is somehow detrimental to society, if you aren't gay it simply doesn't effect you in any real sense.
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gay lifestyle detrimental to society? i read where 1 in 5 gay and bisexual men are HIV positive in the cities.

no, it's not detrimental at all.
 
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joevol320 said:
gay lifestyle detrimental to society? i read where 1 in 5 gay and bisexual men are HIV positive in the cities.

no, it's not detrimental at all.
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Are black men detrimental to society? In DC and some other places, their HIV rate is pretty huge.
 
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joevol320 said:
gay lifestyle detrimental to society? i read where 1 in 5 gay and bisexual men are HIV positive in the cities.

no, it's not detrimental at all.
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How are they a detriment to you? Unless you are also gay or bisexual then it really shouldn't effect you. If you are extremely promiscuous then you would be in an at risk group anyway, gay or straight.
 
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