Thoughts on Stopping Heupel's Offense

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#52
To stop his offense which plays off the run more than people think you have to have superior athletes that make the right decision quickly every time which doesn’t happen that often
 
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UT normally runs 3 plays per minute. Against UGA last year, I don’t remember a single hurry up series outside the first one. Their defense had time to shift and make a sandwich before UT snapped the ball again. That was a huge factor which helped UGA not get confused. UT had the ball an unprecedented 29 mins and 2-14 on 3rd down, with several 3rd down snaps happening right near 0 on the play clock. Maybe the shifting or something was slowing the snap. The couple times they did get confused, Kirby called a timeout because UT wasn’t in hurry up mode. I want to see what they do in Knoxville against a much faster pace.
 
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1974Vol said:
I have heard a few analyst (talking heads) say our team is going to take a step back this year, because in year 3, SEC DC’s will start to figure out Heupel’s offense. From a pure layman’s perspective, it looked to me like Kirby Smart has it figured out. All you need is five cover guys who can match up with the Vol receivers and a nose tackle that can collapse the pocket right up the gut. It also looked like Georgia had some success early in last year’s game bringing a blitzer off the slot receiver. I think Tennessee cleaned that up later in the game, but that’s just my unprofessional opinion.

You may have noticed on most plays our QB’s take a shotgun snap at about a two step drop depth and that’s where they operate from. Again, my layman’s guess is this helps negate rushers coming off the corners because it creates an angle that favors our OT’s. Because our QB’s are so close to the LOS, 3 +/- yards, it does make them vulnerable to a push up the middle but no one but Georgia seemed able to do that with any regularity. It also makes our QB’s vulnerable to an A gap blitz by LB’s but both Small and Wright have been very good at picking those up.

So it would appear from my “casual football fan perspective” the “secret” to stopping CJH’s offense is to have a stable of DB’s that can run and cover at an NFL level, and a nose tackle that can consistently beat double team blocks by our center and guards and collapse the pocket up the middle. There are only two teams in this league currently that have that kind of talent and unfortunately, we play them both every year. The Gators could get back there, maybe LSU is close. I just don’t see anyone else in league that can keep our offense when its clicking from hanging up fiddy.

Strategy wise, hats off to Napier last year for accepting the fact he couldn’t stop us with his defense and decided to just go on 4th down every series to play keep away. If our defense continues to improve there will be more rounds in that Russian Roulette cylinder. I know there are some for real football coaches on here so would appreciate your prospective on stopping Heupel’s offense.
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Wasn’t this argument made by pundits and coaches last year? How did that work out?
 
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If Heupel is as smart as we believe him to be, he is constantly morphing his offense to stay ahead of SEC defenses. TN lost to GA last year in sorry weather conditions and GA had the horses up front to control the clock and the game. TN missed on several wide open throws that would have been TDs. This years game will be more competitive, and SC is coming into a hornets nest!
 
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KeyVol14 said:
He was at UCF for 3 years and nobody could
figure his offense out then and nobody has been able to in the SEC outside of UGA.

I was watching SEC network and Chris Doering said Texas A&M and UF are trending up while we are trending down. Makes absolutely no sense
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Chris Doering is a moron and a worse dresser than Gene Chizik……. Which I honestly didn’t think was possible.
 
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1974Vol said:
I have heard a few analyst (talking heads) say our team is going to take a step back this year, because in year 3, SEC DC’s will start to figure out Heupel’s offense. From a pure layman’s perspective, it looked to me like Kirby Smart has it figured out. All you need is five cover guys who can match up with the Vol receivers and a nose tackle that can collapse the pocket right up the gut. It also looked like Georgia had some success early in last year’s game bringing a blitzer off the slot receiver. I think Tennessee cleaned that up later in the game, but that’s just my unprofessional opinion.

You may have noticed on most plays our QB’s take a shotgun snap at about a two step drop depth and that’s where they operate from. Again, my layman’s guess is this helps negate rushers coming off the corners because it creates an angle that favors our OT’s. Because our QB’s are so close to the LOS, 3 +/- yards, it does make them vulnerable to a push up the middle but no one but Georgia seemed able to do that with any regularity. It also makes our QB’s vulnerable to an A gap blitz by LB’s but both Small and Wright have been very good at picking those up.

So it would appear from my “casual football fan perspective” the “secret” to stopping CJH’s offense is to have a stable of DB’s that can run and cover at an NFL level, and a nose tackle that can consistently beat double team blocks by our center and guards and collapse the pocket up the middle. There are only two teams in this league currently that have that kind of talent and unfortunately, we play them both every year. The Gators could get back there, maybe LSU is close. I just don’t see anyone else in league that can keep our offense when its clicking from hanging up fiddy.

Strategy wise, hats off to Napier last year for accepting the fact he couldn’t stop us with his defense and decided to just go on 4th down every series to play keep away. If our defense continues to improve there will be more rounds in that Russian Roulette cylinder. I know there are some for real football coaches on here so would appreciate your prospective on stopping Heupel’s offense.
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Just like any offensive system, if the dline (especially the DTs) can manhandel to OL, then your offense is going to struggle. That is the magic bullet. Outside of that, CJHs offense will score points.
 
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zooguy said:
You make TN 1-dimensional (I.e. stop the run). That’s what GA did the last 2 years. You have to have a d-line that goes 8 deep.

GA has that. So does A&M, Bama, and maybe Florida. Also have to be able to man cover the receivers.
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The passing routes create a lot of isolation for defenders.

The receivers not going downfield are just as important as the receivers going 15 yards downfield. Whoever gets separation is the QB's target. There is a lot less "planning" than it appears. The primary receiver is the one with the best window for the QB to hit.
That is why WRs refer to their routes as going toward open grass, where there is no defender. Their routes are fuzzy, because there is a lot of improvisation based on how tight the coverage is on each play. It is very tough on opposing safeties.
 
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McDad said:
Can you dive a bit more into the concept of self scouting?
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As someone else said it goes to having GA's or staff analyst watch tape of your own offense and defense from the prospective of the opposition with the intent of picking up on tendencies and "tells". We as humans tend towards repetition, and coaches and players are no different. So for instance you may pick up somethings like, "did you know that every time we're in third down and long and motion to the boundary, we throw to the field?", Or "every time our Sam LB is blitzing he puts this right foot forward." You may not even be aware of these tendencies and tells but the opposition is seeing it in their film study. If you pick it up it can work to your advantage. You tell your Sam LB to deliberately put his right foot forward on the first obvious passing play, say 3rd and long, the opposing QB thinks he's coming goes hot to a TE slant, the Sam drops in coverage and gets a pick. Basically, you're just trying to pick up anything that could help the opposition and change it up to keep 'em guessing.
 
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1974Vol said:
I have heard a few analyst (talking heads) say our team is going to take a step back this year, because in year 3, SEC DC’s will start to figure out Heupel’s offense. From a pure layman’s perspective, it looked to me like Kirby Smart has it figured out. All you need is five cover guys who can match up with the Vol receivers and a nose tackle that can collapse the pocket right up the gut. It also looked like Georgia had some success early in last year’s game bringing a blitzer off the slot receiver. I think Tennessee cleaned that up later in the game, but that’s just my unprofessional opinion.

You may have noticed on most plays our QB’s take a shotgun snap at about a two step drop depth and that’s where they operate from. Again, my layman’s guess is this helps negate rushers coming off the corners because it creates an angle that favors our OT’s. Because our QB’s are so close to the LOS, 3 +/- yards, it does make them vulnerable to a push up the middle but no one but Georgia seemed able to do that with any regularity. It also makes our QB’s vulnerable to an A gap blitz by LB’s but both Small and Wright have been very good at picking those up.

So it would appear from my “casual football fan perspective” the “secret” to stopping CJH’s offense is to have a stable of DB’s that can run and cover at an NFL level, and a nose tackle that can consistently beat double team blocks by our center and guards and collapse the pocket up the middle. There are only two teams in this league currently that have that kind of talent and unfortunately, we play them both every year. The Gators could get back there, maybe LSU is close. I just don’t see anyone else in league that can keep our offense when its clicking from hanging up fiddy.

Strategy wise, hats off to Napier last year for accepting the fact he couldn’t stop us with his defense and decided to just go on 4th down every series to play keep away. If our defense continues to improve there will be more rounds in that Russian Roulette cylinder. I know there are some for real football coaches on here so would appreciate your prospective on stopping Heupel’s offense.
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When you have DBs absolutely jamming you at the line and you keep shooting yourself in the foot putting yourself in 3rd and 15 situations, that allows the defenses to pin their ears back. Now UGA has the luxury of running 2 scout teams in practice the week prior to playing TN. They do this to replicate the tempo. And again, their scout teams are littered with 5* talent. The key to beating TN is having TN help you beat themselves. You cant say South Carolina had our offense figured out, it may have sputtered on 2 or 3 drives but other than that it did its job. The defense didnt show in that game. Clemson had 1 month to prepare for our offense. They had 2 years of UGA tape to look at the *Key* to beating our offense. Look how that turned out.
 
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I currently live in Athens and not sure if posters here have ever seen or heard of this guy before. He is a big Georgia homer but he does break film down pretty well. He has multiple videos about how to attack Tennessee's offense from a defensive point of view. Worth a watch to understand how defenses try to play Tennessee.

 
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1974Vol said:
I have heard a few analyst (talking heads) say our team is going to take a step back this year, because in year 3, SEC DC’s will start to figure out Heupel’s offense. From a pure layman’s perspective, it looked to me like Kirby Smart has it figured out. All you need is five cover guys who can match up with the Vol receivers and a nose tackle that can collapse the pocket right up the gut. It also looked like Georgia had some success early in last year’s game bringing a blitzer off the slot receiver. I think Tennessee cleaned that up later in the game, but that’s just my unprofessional opinion.

You may have noticed on most plays our QB’s take a shotgun snap at about a two step drop depth and that’s where they operate from. Again, my layman’s guess is this helps negate rushers coming off the corners because it creates an angle that favors our OT’s. Because our QB’s are so close to the LOS, 3 +/- yards, it does make them vulnerable to a push up the middle but no one but Georgia seemed able to do that with any regularity. It also makes our QB’s vulnerable to an A gap blitz by LB’s but both Small and Wright have been very good at picking those up.

So it would appear from my “casual football fan perspective” the “secret” to stopping CJH’s offense is to have a stable of DB’s that can run and cover at an NFL level, and a nose tackle that can consistently beat double team blocks by our center and guards and collapse the pocket up the middle. There are only two teams in this league currently that have that kind of talent and unfortunately, we play them both every year. The Gators could get back there, maybe LSU is close. I just don’t see anyone else in league that can keep our offense when its clicking from hanging up fiddy.

Strategy wise, hats off to Napier last year for accepting the fact he couldn’t stop us with his defense and decided to just go on 4th down every series to play keep away. If our defense continues to improve there will be more rounds in that Russian Roulette cylinder. I know there are some for real football coaches on here so would appreciate your prospective on stopping Heupel’s offense.
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What I hate is they act like defenses can adjust to the offense to stop them, but the offense can't adjust to what the defense is doing to create mismatches and continue to dominate. They're technically not wrong as far as taking a step back. Having the #2 offense would be a step back for them ;).
 
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tennesseepride84 said:
I don’t believe Kirby figured squat out. If you remember Hendo missed on a couple of long balls that would’ve scored and changed the narrative of that entire game, not to mention the crowd was incredibly loud causing us to false start and threw us out of rhythm. I don’t believe Kirby did anything schematically to cause us problems, we shut ourselves down.
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bingo. every team in the sec is not going to be able to throw 4 to 5 5-star corners, home field, piped in crowd noise, rain, etc. there is no single way to stop this offense - you can cheat to stop one part, but that opens something else up. we were behind the chains in that game something terrible, but we moved the ball when we weren't shooting ourselves in the foot. looking forward to this year's uga game.
 
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1974Vol said:
I have heard a few analyst (talking heads) say our team is going to take a step back this year, because in year 3, SEC DC’s will start to figure out Heupel’s offense. From a pure layman’s perspective, it looked to me like Kirby Smart has it figured out. All you need is five cover guys who can match up with the Vol receivers and a nose tackle that can collapse the pocket right up the gut. It also looked like Georgia had some success early in last year’s game bringing a blitzer off the slot receiver. I think Tennessee cleaned that up later in the game, but that’s just my unprofessional opinion.

You may have noticed on most plays our QB’s take a shotgun snap at about a two step drop depth and that’s where they operate from. Again, my layman’s guess is this helps negate rushers coming off the corners because it creates an angle that favors our OT’s. Because our QB’s are so close to the LOS, 3 +/- yards, it does make them vulnerable to a push up the middle but no one but Georgia seemed able to do that with any regularity. It also makes our QB’s vulnerable to an A gap blitz by LB’s but both Small and Wright have been very good at picking those up.

So it would appear from my “casual football fan perspective” the “secret” to stopping CJH’s offense is to have a stable of DB’s that can run and cover at an NFL level, and a nose tackle that can consistently beat double team blocks by our center and guards and collapse the pocket up the middle. There are only two teams in this league currently that have that kind of talent and unfortunately, we play them both every year. The Gators could get back there, maybe LSU is close. I just don’t see anyone else in league that can keep our offense when its clicking from hanging up fiddy.

Strategy wise, hats off to Napier last year for accepting the fact he couldn’t stop us with his defense and decided to just go on 4th down every series to play keep away. If our defense continues to improve there will be more rounds in that Russian Roulette cylinder. I know there are some for real football coaches on here so would appreciate your prospective on stopping Heupel’s offense.
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You have the horses to play man and pressure with your front four + occasional blitz. The offense is designed to take advantage of numbers while their speed creates confusion and fatigue. Numbers determine run/pass in most sitatuons. So in other words, if you can stay disciplined and create pressure with front four you will have success. UGA last year is the only example I can think of.
 
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AlwaysOrangeNeverBlue said:
This is very much overlooked, in my opinion. If you watch tape of his UCF offenses and even prior iterations, you can tell he does a lot of tweaking based on personnel and matchups.
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Heupel's offense is similar in pace and wide splits to the Briles offense, but he actually has his own tweaks on it. Heupel uses a TE much more than the Briles system, which almost always had 4 WR. The TE allows for more pre-snap motion and allowing us to dictate more matchups. The motion to stack (especially with a TE) concept is also one of the more dangerous parts of Heupel's offense. It allows for us to dictate matchups and mess with the defense's rules and assignments. Just one screw up (like twice in last year's Kentucky game) or one bad matchup (Hyatt vs. Hellams in the Bama game) and we can score instantly.
 
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tennesseepride84 said:
I don’t believe Kirby figured squat out. If you remember Hendo missed on a couple of long balls that would’ve scored and changed the narrative of that entire game, not to mention the crowd was incredibly loud causing us to false start and threw us out of rhythm. I don’t believe Kirby did anything schematically to cause us problems, we shut ourselves down.
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No more calls… We have a winner.

Go VOLS!!!!!
 
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Imo, folks are figuring out you can't give up space trying to read it and have to attack the O. Now, you have to have the athletes that can run on the back end but it's tougher to win battles vs a team that thrives on operating in space by giving them space so attacking the timing of the O and QB rhythm seems to be the starting point.
 
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#72
Ok, i went back and watched the TN vs UGA game again. Some parts of the video were skippy so i missed the drive where J. Wright Fumbled. To summarize this. The Rain + Penalties + hooker being off caused us to lose. Watching that game again, TN had success pulling the tackles and running to the outside. We beat ourselves more than UGA beat us.

1st Drive of the game.
drove down field.
2 false starts forced a field goal.

2nd Drive of the game.
Late substitution by TN causes another False start.
Hooker misses Deep ball to Hyatt that would have been a TD.
Punt

3rd Drive ofthe game.
We started with the ball inside their 1 yard line. Got a lucky break with a call that should have been a safety. PUNT

4th Drive of the game.
ended with a low throw to a wideopen Hyatt that would have been for a first down. PUNT

5th Drive of the game.
2 PI's called on UGA on this drive.
inside the 10 False Start on TN.
False start again.
crossing route dropped by Fant.
Field Goal

6th Drive of the game.
Bad spot on a 2nd down run by J. Wright. Should have been a first down.
Stuffed on 3rd and 1.
Drive ended on a deep ball (slightly overthrown taking away the 50/50 chance) from Hooker to Tillman that is intercepted by Ringo.

7th Drive of the game.
Drove down the field.
Hooker takes a horrible sack instead of throwing it away Causing us to be out of FG Range atleast.
next 2 plays are stuffed.
PUNT

8th Drive of the game.
Hooker misses a deep ball to a wideopen Bru McCoy for a TD.
Drove down inside Redzone. Hooker takes another sack instead of throwing it away.
Next play = False start
Sacked on 4th & 28

9th Drive of the game.
False Start
drove down field TD

10th Drive of the game.
picked up a few first downs and missed a long ball to Fant that had 2 steps on his defender most likely it would have been 1st & goal if not a TD.
Hooker takes another sack on 4th & 3.
 
#74
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All I can say is that if we had their schedule I would say we do no worse than 11-1. They are suppose to go 12 - 0. We are closing the gap.
 
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sjt18 said:
A little more complicated than that. UGA had the "dudes" to beat UT's OLs one on one. The good news is that was an OL built from scrap parts against one of the most talented DLs ever assembled on one team. IOW's, UT can close the gap while UGA's ability to get a lot better isn't very likely.
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It's more than just "the dudes" because it would be very easy to argue that Alabama had a much better D line than our O line last year. They also had a pretty damn decent secondary. Nick Saban, also, has been known to understand how to run a defense.

They had a number, at least 6, guys drafted from last year's defense which is at least as many as GA.

On paper, Alabama had "the dudes" to stop Heupel's offense but GA actually pulled it off. I've not really thought about a comparison to our success against Alabama's "dudes" and our trouble with Georgia's "dudes," but I am sure it's been a topic in the film room.
 
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