Thoughts on the End of the NCAA Mess

#26
#26
jp1 said:
Interesting to me that the whole "bump" thing that had people up in arms was conviently left out of the findings. Kinda ironic indeed.
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This whole thing was a joke. Any mention of the "violations" at the end of the season that got conveniently blamed on Bruce?
 
#29
#29
I will stand by my asertion that Martin has inherited a deeper group of players than did Pearl. On paper anyway. It is likely we don't have any players like CJ or Lofton, but I wouldn't sell players short like Golden, Hall, McRae and Maymon. Woolridge has had some really good moments as well. McBee is a gamer with a nice stroke.
 
#30
#30
knowthevols said:
We will win maybe 10 to 12 games this year. Maybe 15 the year after. The reasoning behind recruiting 5 stars because of facsilities and tradition are pipe dreams. We have
been a national team to watch for the last six years with around 30 plus televised each
year. That to I am afraid is a thing of the past. Ever reaching a thirty win season again is also history. Sorry, but, thats the reality we face.
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Why don't you let Zo coach a few games before you make stupid comments?
 
#31
#31
Sandvol said:
one of the tenants of our judicial system is that you can confront your accuser and know the evidence against you. I know the NCAA is not the legal system but since we live in the USA those same ideas should be carried over, e.g. they shouldn't be able to blindside you-"gotcha". I know many of you are holier than thou but under stress most would have done the same or worse.
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exactly. it's not about the defendant needing someone to "insist" that they tell the truth. the evidence was presented before the coach's testimony, just like the legal system, and the lawyer or lawyers failed to bring it to pearl attention. that's university of phoenix law school bad.

jp1 said:
Interesting to me that the whole "bump" thing that had people up in arms was conviently left out of the findings. Kinda ironic indeed.
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yep.
 
#33
#33
LawVol13 said:
You're pathetic. Do yourself a favor and just quit following basketball and head back to your Bruce Pearl shrine.
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I was going to do that, but, you and another poster were double parked at the Satanic church and its a dead end street. I didn't have time to waste while you were in there praying to your god.
 
#34
#34
BelAirVol said:
I will stand by my asertion that Martin has inherited a deeper group of players than did Pearl. On paper anyway. It is likely we don't have any players like CJ or Lofton, but I wouldn't sell players short like Golden, Hall, McRae and Maymon. Woolridge has had some really good moments as well. McBee is a gamer with a nice stroke.
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The starting five will be fine. It's afterwards that is going to be ugly.
 
#35
#35
JokermanVol said:
exactly. it's not about the defendant needing someone to "insist" that they tell the truth. the evidence was presented before the coach's testimony, just like the legal system, and the lawyer or lawyers failed to bring it to pearl attention. that's university of phoenix law school bad.



yep.
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Still shouldn't have put himself in that situation. It's not like the NCAA cleared him. They said the didn't have "sufficient" evidence and would still have deemed it a secondary violation. UT felt like they had enough, and Pearl was at a complete ZERO TOLERANCE leash anyways.
 
#36
#36
zjcvols said:
Still shouldn't have put himself in that situation. It's not like the NCAA cleared him. They said the didn't have "sufficient" evidence and would still have deemed it a secondary violation. UT felt like they had enough, and Pearl was at a complete ZERO TOLERANCE leash anyways.
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Not exactly how I understood it. By the way if you are accused of something then go to court and they dont find anything isnt that essentially being cleared?
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#37
#37
zjcvols said:
They said the didn't have "sufficient" evidence and would still have deemed it a secondary violation.
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Not only did they charge him with a major violation without sufficient evidence, but if they would have had the evidence, it would have been a secondary? :eek:lol: How does that even work? Bruce got screwed.
 
#40
#40
Muschump said:
Kinda. 95% of the fanbase was still behind him before he got charged with the "major" "bump violation"...
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way too high. Once it came out he was dumb enough to lie about pictures in his own house most knew it was done. Couldn't keep him and have UT get hit
 
#41
#41
utvolpj said:
way too high. Once it came out he was dumb enough to lie about pictures in his own house most knew it was done. Couldn't keep him and have UT get hit
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I don't think so, most people were pleased with the fact that he did tell the truth, especially after the press conference. Then the "bump violation" comes out and that press conference is now seen as a joke.

I just remember everything turning when news came out about the "bump violation", but maybe I'm misremembering.
 
#42
#42
he didn't tell the truth. All he did was finally come clean when it was clear he was screwed. Trying to make it look like Bruce was just mistaken is ridiculous
 
#44
#44
utvolpj said:
he didn't tell the truth. All he did was finally come clean when it was clear he was screwed. Trying to make it look like Bruce was just mistaken is ridiculous
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Yea, I understand that. Just sayin'. A large majority of the fans were like "NBD" until the bump violation came out.
 
#45
#45
VOLINVONORE said:
If Cheek is still around, it will never happen.
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Let's hope Cheek's ass isn't around in 3 years. And no, this doesn't mean I want Pearl back if Cheek is gone. Hopefully, Martin can start recruiting SEC level players instead of MVC players since the black cloud has been lifted.
 
#46
#46
I think Golden and McRae will impress folks a lot more than they should. Golden shouldn't have freshman jitters like he did last year and I think McRae ditched that 'about me' attitude last year and should bring a lot to the floor. I don't know how well Maymon has hit the gym but for the love of God, I hope he spent a lot of time at the free throw line. He can be physical and bang in the paint with his wide body but he's just not quick enough. I'm interested in seeing some of the new guys.
 
#47
#47
jp1 said:
By the way if you are accused of something then go to court and they dont find anything isnt that essentially being cleared?
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No. There's a real difference between being exonerated and simply not having enough evidence for a conviction.
 
#48
#48
Sandvol said:
one of the tenants of our judicial system is that you can confront your accuser and know the evidence against you. I know the NCAA is not the legal system but since we live in the USA those same ideas should be carried over, e.g. they shouldn't be able to blindside you-"gotcha". I know many of you are holier than thou but under stress most would have done the same or worse.
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This was not a part of the Judicial system.

Their accuser was the NCAA the only gotcha was did you do this? No well here is a picture showing you did. It is black and white, truth or lie. The lie on it's own would not have killed him/them. The litany of moronic mistakes made in the wake of the lie lead to his/their doom.

No one or even two of the things this merry band of clowns did should/would have lead to their firing. In the military you have a discharge called a Pattern of Misconduct. No one thing you did was so bad but the fact that you kept messing up in little ways consistently showed you needed to be shown the road. This is what happened plain and simple.
 
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