Thread for folks skeptical of joining THE VOL CLUB (TN NIL Club)

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Scot Harvath said:
Sorry, already donated to the Livvy Dunne NIL fund.
Love me some hot gymnasts.
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It’s sad to me that female athletes have to profit off their looks, but at least some have a way to get paid now. The money Candace Parker could have made if NIL was legal in the 2000’s would probably blow her WNBA salary out of the water.
 
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I’m a contributor.
I watched this amazing season and enjoyed it immensely. I hope to continue to experience the same euphoria regularly. It gives me pride to believe that I can contribute in some small way to the team. I encourage everyone to do the same. Small expense for great gain
 
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Rememberthelate90s said:
Anybody ever think we are gonna have the Bernie Madoff Ponzii scheme of college football real soon? I just watched the Netflix doc. Send me your money but wait I do nothing with it but buy me a house in France.
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I don't know how it will, but there will be a 30-for-30 type series on how someone cheated NIL out of millions. Suckering a booster, player, university, or fanbase. Someone will scheme it until they are caught. I reference the McDonald's Monopoly scam. Somehow, some way, someone is stealing.
 
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Rememberthelate90s said:
Crazed fans willing to throw cash.
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And once the crazed fans of the biggest or most wealthy alumni bases really get into it - Penn State, Michigan, Ohio State, Texas - it won't matter how much money you or anyonee else throws at it. There'll always be wealthier people willing to throw more. Tennessee and its fans aren't poor, but there's a lot of old money up in those Yankee pockets, and oil money in those southwestern pockets. It's only a matter of time.
 
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Why not pay Huepel 30 million a year to coach. He "donates" to some npo the Haslams own. Then he somehow tells them whonhe wants. They buy them with his 20 million that he "donated". He looks like a good guy for donating to a npo. Then we don't have to trust organizations asking for money. It's really tennesee using their sec money to buy players.
 
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Ericvol2096 said:
Given your update it seems you watched the video, if not please do. 93% of money donated goes straight to players pockets who many have used to support struggling family members like sisters with Cancer and other things. The club grants you all the items listed as well. How can $5 or $25 a month be too much not to join that cause for what I assume be one of your most important passions in life?
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Supporting college athletes with donations is just not a priority for me. My charitable giving goes to my church and a couple of foster care organizations like Isaiah 117 House. And like I stated in my first post, I don't think fans should be asked to support college athletes through charitable giving in the first place. If they are going to get paid, they should get paid by the team or school they play for.

The good thing about NIL is that it allows the athletes to capitalize off of their own marketability by doing things like signing autographs, making public appearances, and endorsing and promoting products.

So for all the fans who care about autographs or meeting athletes, this is great for them because now they have the opportunity to do that.
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
Didn’t we hear that Florida’s just got exposed as the first NIL ponzi?
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Exactly and why wat hung the video and seeing how transparent TNs group is should make you confident in our direction and want to join! We have a chance to have an NIL advantage the next decade like we used to have in 70s-80s with TV coverage and in 90s with facilities races.
 
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Gandalf said:
I love that at the 1:35 mark as he says "fugettabout it" and tosses the competitor device over his shoulder, far behind him it lands perfectly into the sink. LOL how many times was that practiced? LOL

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My problem with NIL organizations is that they are not very transparent. With the university, supposedly I could dig into the annual reports and see what they are spending on. Obviously the old way of payoffs had almost no transparency. STILL, I would prefer if we could have something like a "Charity Navigator" for NILs who would see the books and give a rating as to how much of it is going to program goals as to fundraising, executive salaries, etc. Still wouldnt rate whats on the field but would make people feel more comfortable giving I think.
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The video is incredibly transparent and shows their thought process on how money is allocated. Give it a watch.
 
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VOLywood said:
Supporting college athletes with donations is just not a priority for me. My charitable giving goes to my church and a couple of foster care organizations like Isaiah 117 House. And like I stated in my first post, I don't think fans should be asked to support college athletes through charitable giving in the first place. If they are going to get paid, they should get paid by the team or school they play for.

The good thing about NIL is that it allows the athletes to capitalize off of their own marketability by doing things like signing autographs, making public appearances, and endorsing and promoting products.

So for all the fans who care about autographs or meeting athletes, this is great for them because now they have the opportunity to do that.
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Totally understand not being part of their 501c and giving multiple thousands annually. That level Of support isn’t for everyone. if you watch the video though they discuss why they created plans in The VOl Club at $5 and $25 per month. Early on we’ve had big money folks fueling this thing and those folks want to see the common fan join in the mission even if only $5 a month. They know that if we all pull together that can accumulate along with their hefty dollars and create a machine.

so I get not replacing your other charities with this and that’s why I encourage everyone just to do a $5 plan if they are skeptical. It doesn’t impact you financially and we all pull our strength together in numbers!
 
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VOLywood said:
Sorry, but I'll probably never be on the NIL bandwagon. It's not that I don't think college athletes should be paid. It's just that I don't think the fans who are already being price gouged buying tickets, concessions, merchandise, and everything else they do to follow and support our team should be the ones to pay them.

Fans don't get asked to donate to a collective so that the Tennessee Titans or Atlanta Braves can sign the best players. Those organizations have to work out a business model that allows them to pay the salaries of players they sign.

I've always been a college sports fan first, but now my priorities are changing. At least in professional sports everyone has a fair chance to draft high quality players and salary caps that help keep them competitive. I'm starting to realize it's not nearly as fun when all the best players go to only a few teams.

UPDATE: With that being said if you get autographs, memorabilia, and access to exclusive events by supporting the collective then that makes perfect sense to me. I would just never give my money to a sports program, college or professional, without getting something of direct value in return.
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I'd argue this is what makes a ponzii scheme work. You get something little in return that makes you never guess if it's worth it. What madoff did. You could withdraw some false earnings. Made it seem credible.
 
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I look at it like gambling on my team. Maybe I’m throwing my money away, maybe I finally get to see the Vols on top.

Either way Im going to watch and cheer for my team. So until someone proves me wrong, I’m going to support them any way I can. I really don’t care if i lose $5 a month doing it. I can fart and make $5 a month disappear into the wind anyway.

Might as well believe Im making a difference whether I am or not.
 
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If spyre has 2000 fans do the 25 bucks. That's 600 grand a year. Just the right amount for the spyre guys to make a living, tailgate, not have to work. I bought my season tickets. Done my part. I know where my money went.
 
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Rememberthelate90s said:
If spyre has 2000 fans do the 25 bucks. That's 600 grand a year. Just the right amount for the spyre guys to make a living, tailgate, not have to work. I bought my season tickets. Done my part. I know where my money went.
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If you've been buying tickets for very long then a lot of that money went to pay off a bunch of losers you had no choice in hiring. Those payoffs were in the millions for each
 
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utvolpj said:
If you've been buying tickets for very long then a lot of that money went to pay off a bunch of losers you had no choice in hiring. Those payoffs were in the millions for each
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Correct. Still know where my money went. I'm not buying will anything. Or helping buy him anything.
 
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Ericvol2096 said:
The video is incredibly transparent and shows their thought process on how money is allocated. Give it a watch.
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I thi8nk the video is great and that they are endorsed by the UTADMIN is very important. That said, Im not sure I have any way of knowing that the numbers they state are accurate.

Look, this is still the wild west and UT is very lucky to have something like Spyre having gotten on the game very early and seeming to excel at it. BUT, if this is going to succeed longer term, not just for UT but for other schools who are not nearly as well put together as Spyre, it will need some external transparency verification, even if as a private business there is no official accountability.

Having a neutral org check the books and publish them with some bandwidths that make it easy for lay people to understand is what will likely have people donate MORE, not less. Again, similar to charities.

This is a weird hybrid. Its donors so it is not exactly a business. Somebody, somewhere is going to take the donor money and use fat salaries instead of doing good deals and it will burn it. I dont think that is Spyre but I am saying there is an opportunity here for a sanity check org to provide some transparent oversight on behalf of donors. This is not just for a single NIL but who looks at the books of ALL NIL orgs.
 
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Rememberthelate90s said:
If spyre has 2000 fans do the 25 bucks. That's 600 grand a year. Just the right amount for the spyre guys to make a living, tailgate, not have to work. I bought my season tickets. Done my part. I know where my money went.
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If you’d watch the video you’d know that 93.7% of all money that came into the Vol Club in 2022 went directly to Tennessee athletes!
We wouldn’t be signing guys like Nico or holding onto our best players if we weren’t. So you insinuating this is actually rather insulting to those guys extremely hard work. We are all lucky to have them (I’ve never met them personally but am educated enough to know they are top notch).
 
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Ericvol2096 said:
If you’d watch the video you’d know that 93.7% of all money that came into the Vol Club in 2022 went directly to Tennessee athletes!
We wouldn’t be signing guys like Nico or holding onto our best players if we weren’t. So you insinuating this is actually rather insulting to those guys extremely hard work. We are all lucky to have them (I’ve never met them personally but am educated enough to know they are top notch).
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If I tell you all my money goes to charity. Made a video and it said it too. Can I get you to believe that.
 
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