Threats against POTUS up 400 %

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Don't let this posturing fool you. The secret service may crow about conducting financial investigations, but they amount to squat. Usually the local computer kid who got a new scanner for his birthday and thinks he's the first one to make some funny money. Total sham.

If there's a serious financial crime, that does not concern counterfeit money it is conducted by the FB1. And don't get me started on the Fan Belt Inspectors.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Two things.

First, we don't know of any of these threats or who made them or who their influences might be. They are not made public. And so by definition, as you well know, there is no way I can possibly point to a particular would-be assassin and tell you how often he listens to Beck or Fox or Savage or whoever.

Second, and related, no one has taken such a pot shot. And so at this point in time all we can work with is the evidence we have of the effect of these commentators. I think it fair to say that Beck and Fox in particular are taking credit for a lot of the Tea Party movement which has occassionally -- not always, but occassionally -- had some fairly scary overtones to it.

There also seems to be a certain level of self-righteousness and martyrdom to it that seems to in turn possess these people with the guns or the clergyman out in Arizone hoping Obama dies of brain cancer. A sort of "We know best for the country and we are going to save you by sticking to our principles no matter what" and a real defiant mentality.

I'd be very curious as to who the Secret Service is watching as potential real threats and who they, in turn, are listening to and watching.
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hey law, now many movies were made about obama getting killed. how many stories were written about obama getting killed? NONE. you desperately try to put Rush and Beck in with racist and extremist and don't even listen to them. i love how you libs bash the tea party protestors but then hail all the protestors that went agains bush. your hypocrisy has no bounds.
 
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it turns out this "400%" claim is false, threats against Obama are no greater than they were under Bush, Clinton, Carter, etc.

the director of the Secret Service confirmed that in a Congressional hearing over the party crashers.
 
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MG1968 said:
it turns out this "400%" claim is false, threats against Obama are no greater than they were under Bush, Clinton, Carter, etc.

the director of the Secret Service confirmed that in a Congressional hearing over the party crashers.
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link?
 
#30
#30
Here's the link:

Secret Service: Threats Against Obama No Higher than Normal - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

"The threats right now ... is the same level as it has been for the previous two presidents at this point in their administrations," Sullivan said.
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I've heard a number out there that the threat is up by 400 percent," Sullivan said. "It isn't at 400 percent. I'm not sure where that number came from."

In a report last month noting that the threats against Mr. Obama have fallen back to typical levels, Mark Hosenball of Newsweek writes that the reports of a 400 percent increase in threats can be traced back to a book about the Secret Service published earlier this year by author Ronald Kessler.
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Sorry LG - another one of your goofy assertions bites the dust. Now don't you feel bad for riling up liberals to go after conservative talk?
 
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MG1968 said:
you ask, I provide:

The Weekly Standard
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There seems to be a lot of confusion about this. For one thing, he only said the number wasn't 400 percent. I've read the transcript, he was very dodgy about it, as you would expect under the circumstances. For another, the claims that it is up are coming from multiple places, not the one fellow's book. Last, a number of experts are opining that we will never know the true number, for any president, because the Secret Service does not want people to get the impression that they are overwhelemed such as to think there is opportunity.

Makes sense.
 
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lawgator1 said:
There seems to be a lot of confusion about this. For one thing, he only said the number wasn't 400 percent. I've read the transcript, he was very dodgy about it, as you would expect under the circumstances. For another, the claims that it is up are coming from multiple places, not the one fellow's book. Last, a number of experts are opining that we will never know the true number, for any president, because the Secret Service does not want people to get the impression that they are overwhelemed such as to think there is opportunity.

Makes sense.
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That's odd because according to the original article you posted they were doing just that, saying they were overwhelmed and they might be better off dropping other responsibilities so as to better focus on threats.
 
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lawgator1 said:
There seems to be a lot of confusion about this. For one thing, he only said the number wasn't 400 percent. I've read the transcript, he was very dodgy about it, as you would expect under the circumstances. For another, the claims that it is up are coming from multiple places, not the one fellow's book. Last, a number of experts are opining that we will never know the true number, for any president, because the Secret Service does not want people to get the impression that they are overwhelemed such as to think there is opportunity.

Makes sense.
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actually, he said the number isn't any greater than it was during Bush, Clinton, Carter, etc.

try again.
 
#36
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lawgator1 said:
There seems to be a lot of confusion about this. For one thing, he only said the number wasn't 400 percent. I've read the transcript, he was very dodgy about it, as you would expect under the circumstances. For another, the claims that it is up are coming from multiple places, not the one fellow's book. Last, a number of experts are opining that we will never know the true number, for any president, because the Secret Service does not want people to get the impression that they are overwhelemed such as to think there is opportunity.

Makes sense.
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Um this is sworn testimony:

"The threats right now ... is the same level as it has been for the previous two presidents at this point in their administrations," Sullivan said.
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You think he's lying so people don't know the real level of threat?

Did you read this quote?

I've heard a number out there that the threat is up by 400 percent," Sullivan said. "It isn't at 400 percent. I'm not sure where that number came from."

In a report last month noting that the threats against Mr. Obama have fallen back to typical levels, Mark Hosenball of Newsweek writes that the reports of a 400 percent increase in threats can be traced back to a book about the Secret Service published earlier this year by author Ronald Kessler.
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Some dude wrote a book and that is the phony number you've been using as the basis for your argument. Show us the evidence that contradicts sworn testimony.
 
#37
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stop that, VBH, you know lawgator needs to be able to blame talk radio. confusing him with the facts only makes him more irrational
 
#38
#38
If, as you say, we can never know the true number for any president, how could anyone claim the ability to do comparative statistical analysis to come up with the number you cited?
 
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lawgator1 said:
So many of you complained about the way Bush was treated. I hope to see many of you sign on here that this is a truly alarming thing and that you vehemently oppose commentators or others who are egging on hate at this level.
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I truly hope you apologize the commentators that you called hate-mongers. I expect it will coincide with Vandy's next football title but figured I would ask
 
#40
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lawgator1 said:
There seems to be a lot of confusion about this. For one thing, he only said the number wasn't 400 percent. I've read the transcript, he was very dodgy about it, as you would expect under the circumstances. For another, the claims that it is up are coming from multiple places, not the one fellow's book. Last, a number of experts are opining that we will never know the true number, for any president, because the Secret Service does not want people to get the impression that they are overwhelemed such as to think there is opportunity.

Makes sense.
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But by all means let's suspend freedom of speech just in case there is a problem here. :ermm:

Seems the best way to protect your first amendment rights is still to exercise your second amendment rights. :thumbsup:
 
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utvolpj said:
I truly hope you apologize the commentators that you called hate-mongers. I expect it will coincide with Vandy's next football title but figured I would ask
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why apologize? We all know that threats would have fallen to 0 if Fox News had been shuttered on inauguration day.
 
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The threats right now ....

Read that transcript closely. He's choosing his words very carefully.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The threats right now ....

Read that transcript closely. He's choosing his words very carefully.
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Unbelievable.

Let's take your BS interpetation of his comments as fact for a minute. What accounts for the 400% drop in threats against Obama? Conservative commentators have been at it more than ever.

Proving causation requires co-variation among other conditions. If threats go up and down wildly while the level of conservative bashing remains constant, you can not show a cause and effect relationship between the two.

How about the more likely explanation. One guy reports that an unamed SS source tells him threats are up 400% and it gets treated as "the truth" and widely reported in the press. The Director of the SS claims the threats are the same as with previous presidents and that he doesn't know where that 400% number came from (indicating at no point in his tenure as director were threats against Obama up 400%). Your reaction is to parse his words and try to figure out how he's the one not telling the truth.

I'd love to see the chalkboard you sketched this out on.
 
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volinbham said:
Unbelievable.

Let's take your BS interpetation of his comments as fact for a minute. What accounts for the 400% drop in threats against Obama? Conservative commentators have been at it more than ever.

Proving causation requires co-variation among other conditions. If threats go up and down wildly while the level of conservative bashing remains constant, you can not show a cause and effect relationship between the two.

How about the more likely explanation. One guy reports that an unamed SS source tells him threats are up 400% and it gets treated as "the truth" and widely reported in the press. The Director of the SS claims the threats are the same as with previous presidents and that he doesn't know where that 400% number came from (indicating at no point in his tenure as director were threats against Obama up 400%). Your reaction is to parse his words and try to figure out how he's the one not telling the truth.

I'd love to see the chalkboard you sketched this out on.
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Methinks ye give him too much credit. :birgits_giggle:

I suspect mostly he just cuts and pastes from DU or Huffpo or some such forum.
 
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volinbham said:
Unbelievable.

Let's take your BS interpetation of his comments as fact for a minute. What accounts for the 400% drop in threats against Obama? Conservative commentators have been at it more than ever.

Proving causation requires co-variation among other conditions. If threats go up and down wildly while the level of conservative bashing remains constant, you can not show a cause and effect relationship between the two.

How about the more likely explanation. One guy reports that an unamed SS source tells him threats are up 400% and it gets treated as "the truth" and widely reported in the press. The Director of the SS claims the threats are the same as with previous presidents and that he doesn't know where that 400% number came from (indicating at no point in his tenure as director were threats against Obama up 400%). Your reaction is to parse his words and try to figure out how he's the one not telling the truth.

I'd love to see the chalkboard you sketched this out on.
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1) As discussed ad nauseaum above, the reality is that we are not going to know the numbers. The Secret Service is simply not going to release them. If you read what the director said, a fifth grader could tell you that he was hedging and being purposefully vague and non-committal.

2) There are reports from inside the system that threats are up. I believe it because it makes sense given the level of vicious and irrational rancor out there about the current POTUS. You do not because it politically behooves you to turn a blind eye towards it. I cannot prove your suspicion wrong. You won't even acknowledge the legitimacy of mine.

3) I can only hope that the twisted, or oft times completely absent, logic of the likes of Glenn "Mentaly Unstable" Beck and Sean "I Just Hate Everyone" Hannity isn't successful with the electorate come 2010 and 2012.
 
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