Three Players to Watch This Season

#26
#26
bleedingTNorange said:
As a shooter that should be a minimum, you expect that(or higher on open looks). If you asked Martin he'd probably say 75% on open looks...

I remember reading a story about Michael Redd(great shooter)....said before he was done with practice or shoot around...he'd shoot 5 from 5 spots around the perimeter. He had to swish all 5 before hed move on, if he hit rim or missed, back to spot one...so 25 nothing but net in a row. Obviously that's simply open gym, but just thought I'd share.
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You're saying Martin would expect McBee (or anyone for that matter) to make 75% of open 3's in a game?
 
#27
#27
bleedingTNorange said:
Correct. That's what Michael Redd said he used to do...

I know guys who required 20 in a row, but not nothing but net.
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Is that after their thousands a week Martin recommends.

“All of those guys have it within them, I truly believe that,” Martin said. “It’s a matter of building confidence. And the only way you can build that confidence is by getting thousands of shots up each week. It’s more than just practice; it’s getting in the gym on their own and putting in the time.”
 
#28
#28
zansdad said:
You're saying Martin would expect McBee (or anyone for that matter) to make 75% of open 3's in a game?
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No not anyone, but I bet he'd said close to that...mcbee isn't pulling that number out of thin air, and Martin was a shooter, and kent Williams was one of the best.

I think if you asked Martin...on wide open looks, what percentage should mcbee ideally shoot...I think the number would surprise you.
 
#29
#29
calban said:
Is that after their thousands a week Martin recommends.

“All of those guys have it within them, I truly believe that,” Martin said. “It’s a matter of building confidence. And the only way you can build that confidence is by getting thousands of shots up each week. It’s more than just practice; it’s getting in the gym on their own and putting in the time.”
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I'm not saying Martin requires that...

My Redd story was from him while in the NBA
 
#30
#30
bleedingTNorange said:
No not anyone, but I bet he'd said close to that...mcbee isn't pulling that number out of thin air, and Martin was a shooter, and kent Williams was one of the best.

I think if you asked Martin...on wide open looks, what percentage should mcbee ideally shoot...I think the number would surprise you.
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If the number is 70% or higher, yeah I would be shocked. 75% is a good FT percentage. I don't see a coach expecting a guy to shoot that high from 3.
 
#31
#31
zansdad said:
If the number is 70% or higher, yeah I would be shocked. 75% is a good FT percentage. I don't see a coach expecting a guy to shoot that high from 3.
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Might be around 60-70, 75 was probably high...but once again...I'm not saying average 75% as you're saying with free throws.

If mcbee shoots 100 3's...it's likely 25 are maybe wide open...so that's 19/25...the other 75 are contested, I've said 30% on contested is alright...so that's 23/75....that puts you at 42/100 overall which is 42%....right at the average mcbee mentioned.
 
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#32
#32
bleedingTNorange said:
Might be around 60-70, 75 was probably high...but once again...I'm not saying average 75% as you're saying with free throws.

If mcbee shoots 100 3's...it's likely 25 are maybe wide open...so that's 19/25...the other 75 are contested, I've said 30% on contested is alright...so that's 23/75....that puts you at 42/100 overall which is 42%....right at the average mcbee mentioned.
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I guess it depends on what you call contested and uncontested, but McBee isn't taking 75% of his shots as "contested" 3's. I would think that goes for most 3 point shooters. I would say a good 3 point shooter takes twice as many "open" shots as "contested" shots.
 
#33
#33
zansdad said:
I guess it depends on what you call contested and uncontested, but McBee isn't taking 75% of his shots as "contested" 3's. I would think that goes for most 3 point shooters. I would say a good 3 point shooter takes twice as many "open" shots as "contested" shots.
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So 66% of his shots are open in your opinion?

My definition of uncontested is literally no hand in the face, nobody within a few feet. Literally catch, and take your time on the release...usually off kick outs or skip passes when defense has left you all one..:I don't think he gets those 66% of the time...

But jmo
 
#34
#34
bleedingTNorange said:
So 66% of his shots are open in your opinion?

My definition of uncontested is literally no hand in the face, nobody within a few feet. Literally catch, and take your time on the release...usually off kick outs or skip passes when defense has left you all one..:I don't think he gets those 66% of the time...

But jmo
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I would say at the very least, half of McBee's 3's (up to this point in his career) have been taken with very little defensive pressure and would be considered uncontested.
 
#35
#35
zansdad said:
I would say at the very least, half of McBee's 3's (up to this point in his career) have been taken with very little defensive pressure and would be considered uncontested.
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Fair enough, and thatd put us not too far off.

1/2 at 70%
1/2 at 30%

Averages out to 50%, obviously high, but not too far away from the 45% target he eyes.
 
#36
#36
This is the 1st video I could think of that had McBee shooting 3's in it. It's from the Italy trip. Granted it's definately not good competition, but he shoots 3 what I would call typical shots from him. All three I would call wide open or uncontested. Most of McBee's 3 point attempts are going to look like these.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1AugGA4Vjc&feature=related[/youtube]
 
#37
#37
bleedingTNorange said:
Fair enough, and thatd put us not too far off.

1/2 at 70%
1/2 at 30%

Averages out to 50%, obviously high, but not too far away from the 45% target he eyes.
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And 30% and 60% would be exactly 45% which is specifically what he said is his goal.
 
#38
#38
Agree all 3 would fit my definition of uncontested...as you said though, not the greatest competition of defense. SEC teams know him, he rarely gets free like that in games now, and when he does he has 6'6" guys who can jump flying at him...I remember a couple that looked like they were open last year and got blocked.

It's one reason....I don't remember the article but it's recent, might be the one you linked today....staff is working on him pulling off screens and what not, finding ways to get him shots without needing 5 feet of space.
 
#39
#39
zansdad said:
And 30% and 60% would be exactly 45% which is specifically what he said is his goal.
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Yup, except he didn't mention the 30% that was me. I just figure Martin has higher standards than players usually do...

The numbers above are good, and I'd definitely be happy with that...if he can average 45% we will be a very good team.
 
#40
#40
bleedingTNorange said:
Agree all 3 would fit my definition of uncontested...as you said though, not the greatest competition of defense. SEC teams know him, he rarely gets free like that in games now, and when he does he has 6'6" guys who can jump flying at him...I remember a couple that looked like they were open last year and got blocked.

It's one reason....I don't remember the article but it's recent, might be the one you linked today....staff is working on him pulling off screens and what not, finding ways to get him shots without needing 5 feet of space.
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I agree on him not getting as many open looks now. Hopefully he has added at least a head fake and one dribble pull-up to his game.
 
#41
#41
bleedingTNorange said:
Yup, except he didn't mention the 30% that was me. I just figure Martin has higher standards than players usually do...

The numbers above are good, and I'd definitely be happy with that...if he can average 45% we will be a very good team.
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I meant 45% specifically being his goal. And yeah, if he shoots 45% for the season and everyone else plays as expected, this team could be tough to handle on the offensive end.
 
#42
#42
i have changed my opinion about mcbee .i did not think he should have been on the team let alone a scolly .but he has put forth great effort trying to get better .but i still think if mcbee is our starting sg then UT is in deep do do.he is slow and still a defensive liability even though he has gotten some better. he dives on the floor because he cant get in position quick enough to steal the ball,he has way to many turn overs and cannot handel the ball well enough to be playing guard.i was freaked out every time i saw him dribble the ball hoping he did not let it role off his foot or get stolen by his defender.but i could deal with all the wrong that i have said about him if he was a better shooter from 3 point range.if he could shoot like the white boy who played for flordia out of maryvill or where ever.
 
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