Thug U

#27
#27
lawgator1 said:
I cannot recall referring to, or until today reading that others had referred to, the University of Tennessee as "Thug U." Miami, yes. UT, no.
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A fan of the school that gave America choirboys like Channing Crowder commenting on the character of players at other schools. That's rich.
 
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hatvol96 said:
A fan of the school that gave America choirboys like Channing Crowder commenting on the character of players at other schools. That's rich.
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First of all, I was saying that I don't think UT really has a bad reputation for thugishness.

Second, I am so sick and tired of UM fans whining about being associated with thugs. Ten to Fifteen years ago, UM relished that image. The program cultivated it. They promoted it to the media.

Now that it is really giving them a black eye as an institution and folks are no longer amused, they complain. Sorry, no tears here. They wanted it. They got it.
 
#29
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lawgator1 said:
First of all, I was saying that I don't think UT really has a bad reputation for thugishness.

Second, I am so sick and tired of UM fans whining about being associated with thugs. Ten to Fifteen years ago, UM relished that image. The program cultivated it. They promoted it to the media.

Now that it is really giving them a black eye as an institution and folks are no longer amused, they complain. Sorry, no tears here. They wanted it. They got it.
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Nobody's whining about it. They're simply stating that it doesn't track reality. When was the last time Sewage Water U up in Gainesville went four years without an arrest? Count up off the field incidents and the University of Florida at Redneck Haven actually have a scoreboard they outpoint the "U" on.
 
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lawgator1 said:
First of all, I was saying that I don't think UT really has a bad reputation for thugishness.

Second, I am so sick and tired of UM fans whining about being associated with thugs. Ten to Fifteen years ago, UM relished that image. The program cultivated it. They promoted it to the media.

Now that it is really giving them a black eye as an institution and folks are no longer amused, they complain. Sorry, no tears here. They wanted it. They got it.
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It's a great example of the power of branding, in the advertising/marketing sense. The University of Miami created a brand based on a certain image, and they used that brand to attract not only a lot of football players to the school, but also a lot of casual fans -- other than Notre Dame, I doubt any program has as many fans around the country with no connection to the university. They sold a lot of sweatshirts and hats based on that image. But it cuts both ways, and to a big segment of the public the U on that helmet still means combat fatigues, the Cotton Bowl against Texas, etc. Thug U, in other words. Regardless of how much they've cleaned up the program, that's what their "brand" still means to the public.

Now that I think about it, I bet they could go a long way towards rehabilitating their image just by changing their uniforms. Get rid of the logo, and you get rid of a lot of those immediate negative associations people have been carrying around for two decades. People would be a lot more likely to think, "Oh, they're different now." That's totally irrational, obviously, but that's why advertising works.
 
#31
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hatvol96 said:
That's it. Don't let reality interfere with your delusions. When's the last time UT went four years without having a player arrested?
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I am talking about the quality of fans, actions of Caines on the field, the condition of the rusted out stadium, the ghetto it resides in where thay filmed Scareface and it has not changed simce the movie:machgun: . The fans wanting to fight at halftime and the walk back to the car after the game where a lot of Miami fans had a stupid comment. The # of people in Fla who wear Miami because they think they look like a thug. other than that not much else.....but I got more
 
#32
#32
hatvol96 said:
Nobody's whining about it. They're simply stating that it doesn't track reality. When was the last time Sewage Water U up in Gainesville went four years without an arrest? Count up off the field incidents and the University of Florida at Redneck Haven actually have a scoreboard they outpoint the "U" on.
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I haven't sat down and counted, but I'll assume you are correct and that an objective look at the problems the players have are at least roughly comparable.

The difference is that UF has not gone around and promoted itself as urban mafia whereas UM did so, and did it for many years. I'm not saying the brick-and-mortar of the school did it -- I'm saying their fans did and were backed by the players. The rap video or even the announcer during the FIU game who egged them on and lost his job over it, that's your proof.

The Miami community absolutely loved it and ate it up. The media ran with it and when the 'canes played that was the pregame focus, how they are such tough guys.

So when things went south with that and it got serious and a huge and ugly fight broke out on "Bring a Troubled Youth to the Stadium Night" and then a player was tragically shot and killed, the feigned (or stupid) claim that some of their fans NOW make that "we aren't all that bad" is pathetic.

They wanted to be bad asses. They're bad asses. Now they live with the consequence.

Florida has never promoted itself that way. They are part of the more southern tradition, with the Gator walk and all that stuff I'll be the first to admit we've stolen from 'bama and UGA and even UT in terms of tradition.

You go to a Gator game and its all about bar b-q, catching up with old friends, and seeing Mr. Two Bits. You go to a Miami game and its because you hope or expect to see some train wreck of brute force and because afterwards you are going to hang out at the pawn shop and see if anyone dies over a crack pipe.

Look, I'm not saying its TRUE. I'm saying its the way they wanted to be perceived so don't be stunned when people up in Detroit read about a UM player getting killed and nod their heads and mutter, "figures."

Word.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I haven't sat down and counted, but I'll assume you are correct and that an objective look at the problems the players have are at least roughly comparable.

The difference is that UF has not gone around and promoted itself as urban mafia whereas UM did so, and did it for many years. I'm not saying the brick-and-mortar of the school did it -- I'm saying their fans did and were backed by the players. The rap video or even the announcer during the FIU game who egged them on and lost his job over it, that's your proof.

The Miami community absolutely loved it and ate it up. The media ran with it and when the 'canes played that was the pregame focus, how they are such tough guys.

So when things went south with that and it got serious and a huge and ugly fight broke out on "Bring a Troubled Youth to the Stadium Night" and then a player was tragically shot and killed, the feigned (or stupid) claim that some of their fans NOW make that "we aren't all that bad" is pathetic.

They wanted to be bad asses. They're bad asses. Now they live with the consequence.

Florida has never promoted itself that way. They are part of the more southern tradition, with the Gator walk and all that stuff I'll be the first to admit we've stolen from 'bama and UGA and even UT in terms of tradition.

You go to a Gator game and its all about bar b-q, catching up with old friends, and seeing Mr. Two Bits. You go to a Miami game and its because you hope or expect to see some train wreck of brute force and because afterwards you are going to hang out at the pawn shop and see if anyone dies over a crack pipe.

Look, I'm not saying its TRUE. I'm saying its the way they wanted to be perceived so don't be stunned when people up in Detroit read about a UM player getting killed and nod their heads and mutter, "figures."

Word.
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Does that mean that when another carpet cleaning serial killer shows up in Gainesville and does his business that same guy in Detroit will say "figures."? Show me where Ed Reed, Johnathan Vilma, Ken Dorsey, Clinton Portis, et al. portayed a gangta image. Just because Miami is in an urban area doesn't make it a war zone. I realize that real cities are scary to the rubes/hicks/bigots in North and Central Florida. However, most civilized human beings enjoy the 305 just fine.
 
#35
#35
well... they were keeping a clean image, but then the "soldier" showed up. Not that he ever did anything dirty, just made himself look foolish. Sad that one player's stupidity can make such an impression on what seemed like a classy Miami squad, but it did.
 
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volfanbill said:
well... they were keeping a clean image, but then the "soldier" showed up. Not that he ever did anything dirty, just made himself look foolish. Sad that one player's stupidity can make such an impression on what seemed like a classy Miami squad, but it did.
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Kellen Winslow what a joke.
 
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orange+white=heaven said:
Careful LG, that almost sounds like a dead young man got what he deserved, and I think I know your writing well enough to say that that is not your intention...
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I said it was a tragedy. Absolutely senseless and of course he did not deserve it.

What I am trying to say is that the UM fans who are now bitching that they have this "thug" moniker hung around their neck and don't think its "fair" that when something bad happens everyone says it is because they recruit thugs need to shut up because it is those same fans that once proudly went around taunting everyone how UM would kill them. Literally.

My point is not that they are, or aren't, any more thuggish than Southern Methodist, UF, Wake Forest, or University of North Dakota. Truth be told I don't think they are.

But they sold themselves as the "real deal" when it came to mindless violence so I am not particularly sympathetic to the public relations problem they have right now.

I do not for one second condone or take pleasure in the fact that so much senseless loss has occured there. I do, however, shake my head at their fans' hipocrisy when they put on that, "Who, us?" shrug of the shoulders and blame everyone else for their p.r. problem.

volfanbill said:
well... they were keeping a clean image, but then the "soldier" showed up. Not that he ever did anything dirty, just made himself look foolish. Sad that one player's stupidity can make such an impression on what seemed like a classy Miami squad, but it did.
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That's the thing. They bult their entire image around being classless. So don't cry when people think that the lack of class, discipline, smarts, guidance, etc., is what ultimately killed that player.

You go down to one of their games these days and look in the stands. It is downright terrifying to go to that stadium. If they want to clean up their image -- and I hope they do -- they need to start promoting themselves as a university first, with a great cosmopolitan international community to draw from -- and brandish their harsh urban swagger second.
 
#40
#40
I hate to get in the middle of this one, but you both have solid points. Having been to Miami a number of times and with friends who still live there, it can be a GREAT place to reside and visit. Great food, beautiful scenery (in a number of ways), and outstanding culture. Of course, as with any big city, there are plenty of areas to avoid and plenty of trouble to find. However, "The U" has taken on a ganster, intimidating image, largely by its OWN doing and desire. The recent images of Winslow making an ass of himself while we have real soldiers dying overseas and a horrendous onfield brawl with, of all things, a sideline celebration afterwards just solidify the violent persona that the football team has sought.

I hate Florida, and I can say that with no qualms. But comparing it to UM is apples and oranges, IMO.
 
#41
#41
lawgator1 said:
I said it was a tragedy. Absolutely senseless and of course he did not deserve it.

What I am trying to say is that the UM fans who are now bitching that they have this "thug" moniker hung around their neck and don't think its "fair" that when something bad happens everyone says it is because they recruit thugs need to shut up because it is those same fans that once proudly went around taunting everyone how UM would kill them. Literally.

My point is not that they are, or aren't, any more thuggish than Southern Methodist, UF, Wake Forest, or University of North Dakota. Truth be told I don't think they are.

But they sold themselves as the "real deal" when it came to mindless violence so I am not particularly sympathetic to the public relations problem they have right now.

I do not for one second condone or take pleasure in the fact that so much senseless loss has occured there. I do, however, shake my head at their fans' hipocrisy when they put on that, "Who, us?" shrug of the shoulders and blame everyone else for their p.r. problem.



That's the thing. They bult their entire image around being classless. So don't cry when people think that the lack of class, discipline, smarts, guidance, etc., is what ultimately killed that player.

You go down to one of their games these days and look in the stands. It is downright terrifying to go to that stadium. If they want to clean up their image -- and I hope they do -- they need to start promoting themselves as a university first, with a great cosmopolitan international community to draw from -- and brandish their harsh urban swagger second.
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When was the last time you attended a game at the OB?
 
#42
#42
being a die hard hog fan, and friendly enemy, i've never felt the vols to be a thug environment.

ALL schools have problems. sometimes more; sometimes less.

thug u; no.

ugly orange, yes [sorry, couldn't help it - its this damn turretts].
 
#44
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sidvicious[hog];484714 said:
being a die hard hog fan, and friendly enemy, i've never felt the vols to be a thug environment.

ALL schools have problems. sometimes more; sometimes less.

thug u; no.

ugly orange, yes [sorry, couldn't help it - its this damn turretts].
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That damn turretts can be hell. Try to stay on the medication...:mamba:
 
#48
#48
You guys just have to find a better way to keep it quiet and sweep it under the rug. That's what we do. We have a "Don't ask, Don't Tell" policy with all local law enforcement regarding our players.
 
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