Tim Tebow

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Some people act like Tebow is the only qb to try to play in the NFL with throwing issues. I can think of several in the league now who played/plays like Tebow and nobody fusses about their mechanics, nor do they point out how those hot shots aren't lighting it up like in college. Yet, here is an outspoken Christian trying to keep his drem alive and everybody has a problem. I just think that's most peoples problem, his faith and he's proud if it. Most people just don't have the nerve to admit that's their problem. I'm just saying there's been many just like Tebow and nobody has this much issue with them.
 
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joevol33 said:
Some people act like Tebow is the only qb to try to play in the NFL with throwing issues. I can think of several in the league now who played/plays like Tebow and nobody fusses about their mechanics, nor do they point out how those hot shots aren't lighting it up like in college. Yet, here is an outspoken Christian trying to keep his drem alive and everybody has a problem. I just think that's most peoples problem, his faith and he's proud if it. Most people just don't have the nerve to admit that's their problem. I'm just saying there's been many just like Tebow and nobody has this much issue with them.
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It literally has nothing to do with him being a christian. Plenty of guys point to the sky in the league after plays. It has everything to do with his college achievements and the hype that followed and that hype turning from wine into mucky water. Any sane person knew he wouldnt make it in the NFL but a lot of people had on their jesus shades and couldn't see it coming.
 
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It's not Tim directly. It's the hype machine around the worst QB, per QBR, since 2010. It's cult-like and an easy turn off. The only thing I blame Tim for is not stopping the nonsense but accepting this "worship" and feeding it to a degree. But that blame is incredibly small.
 
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It's like a hitter in baseball. If he can hit the ball don't try to change his entire approach. Make slight incremental changes over a period of time to make him a better hitter.
Ole Peyton still tossing ducks on occasion :)


joevol33 said:
Some people act like Tebow is the only qb to try to play in the NFL with throwing issues. I can think of several in the league now who played/plays like Tebow and nobody fusses about their mechanics, nor do they point out how those hot shots aren't lighting it up like in college. Yet, here is an outspoken Christian trying to keep his drem alive and everybody has a problem. I just think that's most peoples problem, his faith and he's proud if it. Most people just don't have the nerve to admit that's their problem. I'm just saying there's been many just like Tebow and nobody has this much issue with them.
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FLVOL_79 said:
It literally has nothing to do with him being a christian. Plenty of guys point to the sky in the league after plays. It has everything to do with his college achievements and the hype that followed and that hype turning from wine into mucky water. Any sane person knew he wouldnt make it in the NFL but a lot of people had on their jesus shades and couldn't see it coming.
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I'm not saying he's a great qb. I just know many other qb's who have been in the NFL who were just as bad, and never seen so much "they can't make it" comments.
 
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joevol33 said:
Some people act like Tebow is the only qb to try to play in the NFL with throwing issues. I can think of several in the league now who played/plays like Tebow and nobody fusses about their mechanics, nor do they point out how those hot shots aren't lighting it up like in college. Yet, here is an outspoken Christian trying to keep his drem alive and everybody has a problem. I just think that's most peoples problem, his faith and he's proud if it. Most people just don't have the nerve to admit that's their problem. I'm just saying there's been many just like Tebow and nobody has this much issue with them.
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Right, as if Reggie White's religious beliefs had any negative impact on his NFL success...ditto for Kurt Warner or Aneas Williams. That's three HoF guys who love God no less than Tim Tebow does.

Tim Tebow is one of the greatest CFB QBs of all-time, but his skill set does not translate to the NFL for a variety of reasons, and his religious beliefs have absolutely nothing to do with it.

Take it from someone who's emotionally biased regarding Tebow and his contributions to my alma mater, yet rationally objective based on what I've seen from Tebow in the NFL.

I hope he succeeds with the Eagles, but I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't make the team.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Right, as if Reggie White's religious beliefs had any negative impact on his NFL success...ditto for Kurt Warner or Aneas Williams. That's three HoF guys who love God no less than Tim Tebow does.

Tim Tebow is one of the greatest CFB QBs of all-time, but his skill set does not translate to the NFL for a variety of reasons, and his religious beliefs have absolutely nothing to do with it.

Take it from someone who's emotionally biased regarding Tebow and his contributions to my alma mater, yet rationally objective based on what I've seen from Tebow in the NFL.

I hope he succeeds with the Eagles, but I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't make the team.
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I agree he's not great NFL material, but today is different that when those guys played. I just don't see threads or news stories about other guys who are never gonnamake it in the NFL. Look at Johnny football, IMO he'll never make it as a star in the NFL. However, all you hear is praise for him even with his problems. He wasn't even as good as Tebow in college. He's not a pocket passing type player, though he can, he runs and scrambles and gets lucky. Heck, I guess its just my "Jesus" glasses as stated earlier, but he's not the only bad qb to try to make it in the NFL. Not arguing anybody's judgement of his ability. Just the critisism of him compared to other bad qb's.
 
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joevol33 said:
I agree he's not great NFL material, but today is different that when those guys played. I just don't see threads or news stories about other guys who are never gonnamake it in the NFL. Look at Johnny football, IMO he'll never make it as a star in the NFL. However, all you hear is praise for him even with his problems. He wasn't even as good as Tebow in college. He's not a pocket passing type player, though he can, he runs and scrambles and gets lucky. Heck, I guess its just my "Jesus" glasses as stated earlier, but he's not the only bad qb to try to make it in the NFL. Not arguing anybody's judgement of his ability. Just the critisism of him compared to other bad qb's.
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We must be reading different stories about Manziel, because he certainly hasn't had all praise since he was drafted. Plus in case you missed it, most have all but written him off already.
 
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joevol33 said:
I agree he's not great NFL material, but today is different that when those guys played. I just don't see threads or news stories about other guys who are never gonnamake it in the NFL. Look at Johnny football, IMO he'll never make it as a star in the NFL. However, all you hear is praise for him even with his problems. He wasn't even as good as Tebow in college. He's not a pocket passing type player, though he can, he runs and scrambles and gets lucky. Heck, I guess its just my "Jesus" glasses as stated earlier, but he's not the only bad qb to try to make it in the NFL. Not arguing anybody's judgement of his ability. Just the critisism of him compared to other bad qb's.
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I think you have selective memory on Manziel.

As for Tebow, you suggested that his lack of NFL opportunities is due to his religious beliefs, and I completely disagree with that.

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joevol33 said:
Yet, here is an outspoken Christian trying to keep his drem alive and everybody has a problem. I just think that's most peoples problem, his faith and he's proud if it. Most people just don't have the nerve to admit that's their problem.
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joevol33 said:
I agree he's not great NFL material, but today is different that when those guys played. I just don't see threads or news stories about other guys who are never gonnamake it in the NFL. Look at Johnny football, IMO he'll never make it as a star in the NFL. However, all you hear is praise for him even with his problems. He wasn't even as good as Tebow in college. He's not a pocket passing type player, though he can, he runs and scrambles and gets lucky. Heck, I guess its just my "Jesus" glasses as stated earlier, but he's not the only bad qb to try to make it in the NFL. Not arguing anybody's judgement of his ability. Just the critisism of him compared to other bad qb's.
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You can't be serious, all you hear is that Manziel won't make it. You are either completely lost or just ignoring something in order to fit your agenda here.
 
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utvols88 said:
It's not Tim directly. It's the hype machine around the worst QB, per QBR, since 2010. It's cult-like and an easy turn off. The only thing I blame Tim for is not stopping the nonsense but accepting this "worship" and feeding it to a degree. But that blame is incredibly small.
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The hype has died down significantly, and rightfully so.

If Tebow makes it with the Eagles, then great. He's playing in a system that fits his skills better than just about every NFL team out there.

If Tebow doesn't succeed, and he's serious about realizing his dream of playing QB in the NFL, he needs to swallow his pride and sign with whatever CFL or AFL team who will take him.

Much better QBs than Tebow had to go that route....Kurt Warner, Warren Moon and Doug Flutie immediately come to mind.
 
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BearCat204 said:
You can't be serious, all you hear is that Manziel won't make it. You are either completely lost or just ignoring something in order to fit your agenda here.
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Not to mention many, many questioned if he was a NFL caliber QB before he was drafted, and Cleveland was criticized for getting him in the first round.

Someone is confusing "praise" with "hype".
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
I think you have selective memory on Manziel.

As for Tebow, you suggested that his lack of NFL opportunities is due to his religious beliefs, and I completely disagree with that.

Your words...
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I didn't say his lack of NFL opportunities was because of his faith, I said that's why people are down on him, fans, media. As far as using manziel, just one example when he came out there was plenty of hype. Not so much now, but there was plenty.
 
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BearCat204 said:
You can't be serious, all you hear is that Manziel won't make it. You are either completely lost or just ignoring something in order to fit your agenda here.
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I have no agenda, like I done replied, go back and read and look at media when manziel entered the draft, plenty of hype. I'm not saying tebow is better than anybody. Just to save more disagreeing, "there's never been a worse qb to try and make it in the NFL". I'm just saying that because that's how most act, why? There's no threads on these other bad qb's? Butits not an agenda, its my opinion just like yours or whomever.
 
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joevol33 said:
I have no agenda, like I done replied, go back and read and look at media when manziel entered the draft, plenty of hype. I'm not saying tebow is better than anybody. Just to save more disagreeing, "there's never been a worse qb to try and make it in the NFL". I'm just saying that because that's how most act, why? There's no threads on these other bad qb's? Butits not an agenda, its my opinion just like yours or whomever.
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Again, you have selective memory regaring Manziel. He received plenty of criticism prior to getting drafted, both for his on the field improvisation and his off the field shenanigans.

Tebow was thought to be a 3rd round pick at best, then Denver took him in the first round. And to be fair, Tebow had more question marks coming out of college than Manziel, on the field at least.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Again, you have selective memory regaring Manziel. He received plenty of criticism prior to getting drafted, both for his on the field improvisation and his off the field shenanigans.

Tebow was thought to be a 3rd round pick at best, then Denver took him in the first round. And to be fair, Tebow had more question marks coming out of college than Manziel, on the field at least.
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Must've just been who I watched talking about him on ESPN. I know every person on there has different views just like us. Different sites I've talked to people, even Facebook, that's the majority of peoples issue, his faith. They don't argue his mechanics, I know that's what you guys are saying, and I was just saying there have been others just as bad trying to make it. I get absolutely nothing if he makes it, or if anybody agrees with me, so I'm lost on the agenda thing. There's no reporter gonna interview me over this thread. My posts accomplish nothing, just my opinion from what I've seen as to why a lot of films dislike him.
 
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joevol33 said:
Must've just been who I watched talking about him on ESPN. I know every person on there has different views just like us. Different sites I've talked to people, even Facebook, that's the majority of peoples issue, his faith. They don't argue his mechanics, I know that's what you guys are saying, and I was just saying there have been others just as bad trying to make it. I get absolutely nothing if he makes it, or if anybody agrees with me, so I'm lost on the agenda thing. There's no reporter gonna interview me over this thread. My posts accomplish nothing, just my opinion from what I've seen as to why a lot of films dislike him.
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The pre-draft concensus on Manziel and Tebow was neither one was considered a franchise QB. Both had issues reading defenses and had a run-first mentailty when plays broke down.

Both came with their own baggage, but could be a marketing department's wet dream in terms of ticket sales.

Manziel was projected as a late 1st round pick, and that's where he went. Tebow, because he had more questions marks on the field...none having to do with his religious beliefs...was projected a later round pick and Denver took a chance, which sparked debate among the "He's a winner" crowd and the "He couldn't take a snap from center at the Senior Bowl" crowd.
 
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He's a heck of an athlete, if he wants to be in the NFL he could at another position if he can't play qb IMO.
 
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joevol33 said:
He's a heck of an athlete, if he wants to be in the NFL he could at another position if he can't play qb IMO.
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He's said countless times his dream is to play QB in the NFL.

If that's the case he should have been getting reps with a CFL team to hone his skills.

This is my biggest criticism of Tebow. He wants to play in the big league, but I'm convinced his ego won't allow him to spend time in the minors...as if it's beneath him.

Reps are reps, and he needs as many as he can get.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
He's said countless times his dream is to play QB in the NFL.

If that's the case he should have been getting reps with a CFL team to hone his skills.

This is my biggest criticism of Tebow. He wants to play in the big league, but I'm convinced his ego won't allow him to spend time in the minors...as if it's beneath him.

Reps are reps, and he needs as many as he can get.
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I can't remember when, but there was a CFL team that said they wouldn't take him as a starter.
 
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I honestly love all of Kelly's offseason moves.

Tebow has a lot of value. Any team that signs him will get a great financial return from merchandise. And he is very versatile thanks to his size. He could be used on special teams and even given his own special teams package.

That's not bad for a guy who's getting paid 3rd team qb money. Most of them just hold the clipboard all game. Tebow is versatile.
 
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Hope he beats out sanchez and barkley...the eagles may have the greatest collection of college QBs ever assembled.
 
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