Titans come up empty as Pro Bowl rosters announced

[volfanjustin]

Pat Angerer didn't deserve to make it. He makes a lot of tackles because the rest of the defense is worthless, but there's no way he's one of the best in the AFC.

That being said, there weren't any Titans who deserved it either.

So a guy with 137 tackles did not deserve to make it? The D has played really well as of late, I would argue he is one of the best LB not only in the AFC but the whole NFL.

The pro bowl is pointless anyway. But on these LB it's like only 3-4 LB get voted to the pro bowl.

 

[HSVol]

So a guy with 137 tackles did not deserve to make it? The D has played really well as of late, I would argue he is one of the best LB not only in the AFC but the whole NFL.

His stats aren't THAT great. Stephen Tulloch had 160 tackles last year and he wasn't a Pro Bowler (still doesn't have a FF in his entire career, which I find unbelievable). Barrett Ruud, who we discovered was pretty bad this year, had very similar numbers when he was with the Bucs. He definitely wasn't a Pro Bowler.

If Keith Bulluck wasn't a perennial Pro Bowler, neither will Pat Angerer. A lot of Bulluck's problem is that he played in a small market, though. Angerer is a solid MLB, but one of the best in the NFL? No way. He could get better and make a Pro Bowl or two eventually.

 

[GreveHaller]

Maybe Mariani :unsure:

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After the botching the NFL did with the kick off rules, there should be no KO returners in the Pro Bowl. There wasnt enough returns to create a list of candidates

 

[volfanjustin]

His stats aren't THAT great. Stephen Tulloch had 160 tackles last year and he wasn't a Pro Bowler (still doesn't have a FF in his entire career, which I find unbelievable). Barrett Ruud, who we discovered was pretty bad this year, had very similar numbers when he was with the Bucs. He definitely wasn't a Pro Bowler.

If Keith Bulluck wasn't a perennial Pro Bowler, neither will Pat Angerer. A lot of Bulluck's problem is that he played in a small market, though. Angerer is a solid MLB, but one of the best in the NFL? No way. He could get better and make a Pro Bowl or two eventually.

If McCarthy had numbers close to his you would be complaining more than anyone about him not going.

When I was talking about Angerer I had Bullock in mind the whole time. Bulluck should have went pretty much every season. There is a big time bias towards 3-4 LBs. Angerer has a chance to be one of the best MLB in football.

And to be clear I am not saying he for sure should have went but he should have went over Ray Lewis.

 

[Thrasher865]

After the botching the NFL did with the kick off rules, there should be no KO returners in the Pro Bowl. There wasnt enough returns to create a list of candidates

He did outstanding at PR, too. He did make Sportscenter's not top 10 the other week, though. When he kicked the ball out of bounds from the endzone to the 2 yard line on a kickoff LOL

 

[HSVol]

If McCarthy had numbers close to his you would be complaining more than anyone about him not going.

Depends on the impact he had over the entire season. I didn't think Tully deserved to go to the Pro Bowl and dude had 160 tackles. McCarthy had two huge games and has really leveled off since then. I think he's going to be the Titans' MLB for a long time and has Pro Bowl potential, but the stat sheet won't influence me too much when it comes to Titans players because I watch all the snaps. I do have to rely on stat sheets for other players, though.

But you've watched all the Colts games. Do you think Angerer is better than Patrick Willis, Demeco Ryans, Brian Urlacher, London Fletcher, a healthy Ray Lewis, or even Paul Posluzny?

 

[Through_The_T]

Depends on the impact he had over the entire season. I didn't think Tully deserved to go to the Pro Bowl and dude had 160 tackles. McCarthy had two huge games and has really leveled off since then. I think he's going to be the Titans' MLB for a long time and has Pro Bowl potential, but the stat sheet won't influence me too much when it comes to Titans players because I watch all the snaps. I do have to rely on stat sheets for other players, though.


But you've watched all the Colts games. Do you think Angerer is better than Patrick Willis, Demeco Ryans, Brian Urlacher, London Fletcher, a healthy Ray Lewis, or even Paul Posluzny?

Add Jon Beason to that list as well...

 

[Thrasher865]

Haven't we already established that vfj is a top 10 all-time homer?

 

[volfanjustin]

Depends on the impact he had over the entire season. I didn't think Tully deserved to go to the Pro Bowl and dude had 160 tackles. McCarthy had two huge games and has really leveled off since then. I think he's going to be the Titans' MLB for a long time and has Pro Bowl potential, but the stat sheet won't influence me too much when it comes to Titans players because I watch all the snaps. I do have to rely on stat sheets for other players, though.

But you've watched all the Colts games. Do you think Angerer is better than Patrick Willis, Demeco Ryans, Brian Urlacher, London Fletcher, a healthy Ray Lewis, or even Paul Posluzny?

Willis, Urlacher and Fletcher are in the NFC so this does not apply.

A healthy Ray Lewis today, I am not sure. But if they are voting in the best player for that season how does Lewis make it? The answer is simple, 3-4 LBs go over 4-3 LBs and it's what he has does over his career. The pro bowl is garbage.

For example, I am not sure Freeney should have went. Mathis deserved to go over him but Freeney has had a better career so that's why he went over Mathis.

 

[HSVol]

Willis, Urlacher and Fletcher are in the NFC so this does not apply.

A healthy Ray Lewis today, I am not sure. But if they are voting in the best player for that season how does Lewis make it? The answer is simple, 3-4 LBs go over 4-3 LBs and it's what he has does over his career. The pro bowl is garbage.

For example, I am not sure Freeney should have went. Mathis deserved to go over him but Freeney has had a better career so that's why he went over Mathis.

You said you think he's one of the best in the NFL, so I reckon they do. Is Angerer better than Jerod Mayo, Bart Scott, David Harris? Beason?

I agree on Mathis over Freeney, and I hope Mathis is a Titan next year.

 

[NashVol11]

So a guy with 137 tackles did not deserve to make it? The D has played really well as of late, I would argue he is one of the best LB not only in the AFC but the whole NFL.

The pro bowl is pointless anyway. But on these LB it's like only 3-4 LB get voted to the pro bowl.

If tackles mean that much to you, then D'Qwell Jackson should have gotten in over Ray-Ray considering he had more tackles than Angerer on a much better defense...and Angerer would still be watching like he is now.

Going solely on tackles, though, guys like Chad Greenway/James Laurinaitis/James Anderson are more deserving than Patrick Willis, and Ryan Clark is the Steelers' best safety.

 

[NashVol11]

If McCarthy had numbers close to his you would be complaining more than anyone about him not going.

When I was talking about Angerer I had Bullock in mind the whole time. Bulluck should have went pretty much every season. There is a big time bias towards 3-4 LBs. Angerer has a chance to be one of the best MLB in football.

And to be clear I am not saying he for sure should have went but he should have went over Ray Lewis.

Pat Angerer is nowhere near the same type of player as Bulluck was. He's much more like the guys HSVol mentioned, Ruud and Tulloch. He might be a little better than both (definitely Ruud), but you're not going to convince me that the backup MLB for the worst team in the NFL is a Pro Bowler.

 

[NashVol11]

Maybe Mariani :unsure:

How many return guys get voted in? There are definitely some ahead of him, but he's been an important part of our special teams. I think he might have run just one TD back this year earlier, maybe none, but his returns are always solid. Frequently out the to 40+

The thing is, there's only one. And aside from Antonio Brown being better in both return categories (though BARELY in PR), I think voters also wanted to get him in somehow because of the year he's having on offense.

 

[volfanjustin]

You said you think he's one of the best in the NFL, so I reckon they do. Is Angerer better than Jerod Mayo, Bart Scott, David Harris? Beason?

I agree on Mathis over Freeney, and I hope Mathis is a Titan next year.

Better than? Not sure, but I would say he is in that same ballpark.

 

[volfanjustin]

If tackles mean that much to you, then D'Qwell Jackson should have gotten in over Ray-Ray considering he had more tackles than Angerer on a much better defense...and Angerer would still be watching like he is now.

Going solely on tackles, though, guys like Chad Greenway/James Laurinaitis/James Anderson are more deserving than Patrick Willis, and Ryan Clark is the Steelers' best safety.

Not solely, but when the other numbers are the same and he has 49 more tackles than Lewis why should Lewis go over him?

 

[volfanjustin]

Pat Angerer is nowhere near the same type of player as Bulluck was. He's much more like the guys HSVol mentioned, Ruud and Tulloch. He might be a little better than both (definitely Ruud), but you're not going to convince me that the backup MLB for the worst team in the NFL is a Pro Bowler.

Backup? He was a starting OLB even when Brackett was healthy.

 

[HSVol]

I would argue he is one of the best LB not only in the AFC but the whole NFL.

Justin, I think people are just poking holes in the aforementioned comment. It's pretty bold and doesn't seem to be rooted in logic.

Just saying.

 

[volfanjustin]

Justin, I think people are just poking holes in the aforementioned comment. It's pretty bold and doesn't seem to be rooted in logic.

Just saying.

We all just have a different opinion. He is 4th in the league in tackles and 2nd among MLB. If a Tennessee Titan had these same numbers you all would be saying the same thing I am. In his second year he has shown tons of potential in a terrible defensive scheme. If the Colts were 13-3 he would be getting more love than he is now. He should be the Colts starting MLB for the next 10 years.

 

[NashVol11]

Not solely, but when the other numbers are the same and he has 49 more tackles than Lewis why should Lewis go over him?

Lewis played in less games and had twice as many passes defensed, more sacks (twice as many there too but when it's 2-1 that's not really fair to say), as many FFs and as many INTs, so that may have had something to do with it...but it's mainly just because he's Ray Lewis.

I agree with you that the Pro Bowl favors big names and Lewis may not deserve to be there, but my point is that if someone else does, it's not Pat Angerer. Based on play on the field this year, the guy with the biggest gripe should be Paul Posluszny.

 

[NashVol11]

We all just have a different opinion. He is 4th in the league in tackles and 2nd among MLB. If a Tennessee Titan had these same numbers you all would be saying the same thing I am. In his second year he has shown tons of potential in a terrible defensive scheme. If the Colts were 13-3 he would be getting more love than he is now. He should be the Colts starting MLB for the next 10 years.

The thing is, a Tennessee Titan had better ones...just last year...and all of us are saying the exact opposite.

 

[HSVol]

He is 4th in the league in tackles and 2nd among MLB. If a Tennessee Titan had these same numbers you all would be saying the same thing I am.

Simply not true. Very few were pounding the table for Stephen Tulloch or made a big fuss over Tully leaving in free agency, and his stats were as good or better than Angerers.

 

[volfanjustin]

Lewis played in less games and had twice as many passes defensed, more sacks (twice as many there too but when it's 2-1 that's not really fair to say), as many FFs and as many INTs, so that may have had something to do with it...but it's mainly just because he's Ray Lewis.

I agree with you that the Pro Bowl favors big names and Lewis may not deserve to be there, but my point is that if someone else does, it's not Pat Angerer. Based on play on the field this year, the guy with the biggest gripe should be Paul Posluszny.

I would not argue Posluszny going at all, both deserve to go over Lewis. But there is an argument to be made for Angerer. What's with all the anti-Angerer? Is it simply because he plays for the Colts?

 

[HSVol]

I would not argue Posluszny going at all, both deserve to go over Lewis. But there is an argument to be made for Angerer. What's with all the anti-Angerer? Is it simply because he plays for the Colts?

No, it was you claiming he's one of the best in the NFL.

 

[TOP]

Who overwhelmingly deserved an invite?

Rob Bironas.

I can see why Janikowski went but Brionas's numbers were better though.

RB 6/7 from 50+
SJ 6/9 from 50+

RB 8/9 from 40-49
SJ 9/10 from 40-49

RB 8/9 from 30-39
SJ 4/4 from 30-39

RB 2/2 from 20-29
SJ 7/7 from 20-29

RB 0/0 from 9-19
SJ 1/1 from 9-19

RB Total 36/29(89.7%) 32/32xp
SJ Total 27/31(87.1%) 34/34xp

RB Kickoffs 73(40 touchbacks)
SJ Kickoffs 73(31 touchbacks)

Janikowski had 6 more chip shots to add to his total and increase his FG% and it was still lower than Bironas's. And not that past seasons matter but Bironas has a career FG% of 86.1% to Janikowski's 79.4%.

Obviously it's not a big deal because it's just kickers but I said previously in the Titans thread that Bironas seems to be fairly under the radar around the league. Probably not to you since your a Colts fan and they play the Titans on a regular basis but Bironas doesn't seem to get a lot of love or recognition. He's really good though and maybe even the best kicker in the NFL. He's certainly up there

 

[Thrasher865]

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