Titans, USC Trojans settle over Kiffin's Pola Hiring

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hatvol96 said:
I realize I was too kind. The nice weather has me mellow.
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Born and raised in Nashville. I think I am going to turn out just fine. This has been a great southern city for me to grow up in. Why do you detest this place?
 
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Vols_Fanatic518 said:
Just because the lawsuit was a bad idea doesn't mean it wasn't justified
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What justification? The fact that a coach left? It happens all the time. If there was a lawsuit filed for every coach that left for another job, the court system would be tied up for years.
 
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iuvol2012 said:
What justification? The fact that a coach left? It happens all the time. If there was a lawsuit filed for every coach that left for another job, the court system would be tied up for years.
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You do understand that the coach just didn't decide to leave for another job on his own volition, right? If you don't, either the lawsuit was silly or we just don't get it.
 
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iuvol2012 said:
What justification? The fact that a coach left? It happens all the time. If there was a lawsuit filed for every coach that left for another job, the court system would be tied up for years.
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Your point would be correct if coaching jobs didn't include contracts. If the contractual rules aren't followed then lawsuits are filed. When a spoiled brat is used to getting his way and intentionally violates said contract then he will get his happy little a** sued.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
You do understand that the coach just didn't decide to leave for another job on his own volition, right? If you don't, either the lawsuit was silly or we just don't get it.
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So Kiffin was his boss and told him to leave? He had to be interested enough in the job to leave. Just sayin.
 
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Orange Bison said:
Your point would be correct if coaching jobs didn't include contracts. If the contractual rules aren't followed then lawsuits are filed. When a spoiled brat is used to getting his way and intentionally violates said contract then he will get his happy little a** sued.
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Which is exactly why Hammy boy screwed the pooch and deserves to be shown the door.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
Which is exactly why Hammy boy screwed the pooch and deserves to be shown the door.
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Exactly what was Hamilton supposed to put in Kiffin's contract that would have kept him from taking the USC job? Good luck getting quality coaches to sign contracts that restrict their ability to leave for another job in a meaningful way.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Exactly what was Hamilton supposed to put in Kiffin's contract that would have kept him from taking the USC job? Good luck getting quality coaches to sign contracts that restrict their ability to leave for another job in a meaningful way.
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I think he should've included longevity language that addressed buyout provisions if the contract was mitigated early. Of course Kiffin's lawyers could've installed a clause that stipulated the buyout wasn't valid if a specific job came open, ie USC, but I don't think Hamilton even made an effort. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
I think he should've included longevity language that addressed buyout provisions if the contract was mitigated early. Of course Kiffin's lawyers could've installed a clause that stipulated the buyout wasn't valid if a specific job came open, ie USC, but I don't think Hamilton even made an effort. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Lane Kiffin was never, ever going to sign a contract with Tennessee that put any significant restrictions on his ability to leave.
 
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Yep. Hamilton has made some pretty crazy mistakes, but I can't fault him for not foreseeing the USC job opening up and them offering Kiffin.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Lane Kiffin was never, ever going to sign a contract with Tennessee that put any significant restrictions on his ability to leave.
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And you know this because you were sitting there in the negotiations and know how much the issue was pressed? A skilled AD might have made it much more costly & difficult for an unemployed coach with no bargaining chips during negotiations to leave. We obvioulsly don't have one of those. I agree with hmanvol previous post that it is probably more of a reflection of Hammy's poor contract negotiation skills and not pressing the issue. Neither Hammy or Lane thought the USC job was going to open in the near future & or that 4 or 5 other candidates would turn them down first.
 
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Orange Bison said:
And you know this because you were sitting there in the negotiations and know how much the issue was pressed? A skilled AD might have made it much more costly & difficult for an unemployed coach with no bargaining chips during negotiations to leave. We obvioulsly don't have one of those. I agree with hmanvol previous post that it is probably more of a reflection of Hammy's poor contract negotiation skills and not pressing the issue. Neither Hammy or Lane thought the USC job was going to open in the near future & or that 4 or 5 other candidates would turn them down first.
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Lane Kiffin never considered the Tennessee job as a long term proposition. He was not going to tie himself to this job. Unlike the Orange Overall Crowd, who sees UT as some sort of Valhalla, Kiffin saw it as just another gig. Which it is to anyone who understands that college athletics is just another business. Kiffin would have had the Arkansas job the previous year if Al Davis would have released him from his contract early. Job offers were going to be there if he didn't take the Tennessee job. If Hamilton wanted to hire Kiffin, he was going to do so on Kiffin/Jimmy Sexton's terms. Period.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Lane Kiffin never considered the Tennessee job as a long term proposition. He was not going to tie himself to this job. Unlike the Orange Overall Crowd, who sees UT as some sort of Valhalla, Kiffin saw it as just another gig. Which it is to anyone who understands that college athletics is just another business. Kiffin would have had the Arkansas job the previous year if Al Davis would have released him from his contract early. Job offers were going to be there if he didn't take the Tennessee job. If Hamilton wanted to hire Kiffin, he was going to do so on Kiffin/Jimmy Sexton's terms. Period.
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Just out of complete curiosity, do you know if Kiffin didn't like Knoxville/Tennessee? I know he wasn'g planning to be here for the long hall, and he certainly preferred the USC job, but did he actually not like being here?
 
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tvolsfan said:
Just out of complete curiosity, do you know if Kiffin didn't like Knoxville/Tennessee? I know he wasn'g planning to be here for the long hall, and he certainly preferred the USC job, but did he actually not like being here?
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I'm sure Vol Calls made him love the fanbase.
 
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I think some people's hatred for Lane Kiffin is clouding their judgment here. Football coaches change jobs--and break contracts to do so--all of the time. Derek Dooley had a long-term contract at Louisiana Tech, and he broke it to come to Tennessee. Louisiana Tech not only didn't sue him, they actually were grateful for his service and wished him well.

What Hat is saying is absolutely correct. The Titans are a soap opera. They've underachieved for years, and they had a coach and a quarterback who were determined to engage in mutually assured destruction rather than just co-exist and win. Suing Kiffin was just a way to distract their fans from all of this. Everybody in Tennessee hates Kiffin, so of course they were going to get goodwill for suing him. It was grandstanding, period.

tvolsfan said:
Just out of complete curiosity, do you know if Kiffin didn't like Knoxville/Tennessee? I know he wasn'g planning to be here for the long hall, and he certainly preferred the USC job, but did he actually not like being here?
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Kiffin was used to the L.A. lifestyle. When the USC job came open and he knew he could get it, it was a no-brainer for him. I really think he was completely honest in what he said his motivations were.

It's a matter of perspective. I wouldn't want to leave where I'm at to go live in California, but I'm not Lane Kiffin.
 
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jsc1973 said:
Suing Kiffin was just a way to distract their fans from all of this. Everybody in Tennessee hates Kiffin, so of course they were going to get goodwill for suing him. It was grandstanding, period.
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This about wraps it up.
 
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jsc1973 said:
I think some people's hatred for Lane Kiffin is clouding their judgment here. Football coaches change jobs--and break contracts to do so--all of the time. Derek Dooley had a long-term contract at Louisiana Tech, and he broke it to come to Tennessee. Louisiana Tech not only didn't sue him, they actually were grateful for his service and wished him well.

What Hat is saying is absolutely correct. The Titans are a soap opera. They've underachieved for years, and they had a coach and a quarterback who were determined to engage in mutually assured destruction rather than just co-exist and win. Suing Kiffin was just a way to distract their fans from all of this. Everybody in Tennessee hates Kiffin, so of course they were going to get goodwill for suing him. It was grandstanding, period.Kiffin was used to the L.A. lifestyle. When the USC job came open and he knew he could get it, it was a no-brainer for him. I really think he was completely honest in what he said his motivations were.

It's a matter of perspective. I wouldn't want to leave where I'm at to go live in California, but I'm not Lane Kiffin.
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Your statement is wrong. Everyone in this state doesn't hate Lane Kiffin. Along with certain posters on VN who can't put the Lane Kiffin pom poms down there are plenty of anti UT fans who love lane Kiffin for what he did to UT. Titans had already sold out their tickets well before they decided to sue Lane. I highly doubt any Titan ticket holder or fan went to a game and cheered the Titans harder because they sued Lane Kiffin. You are making an incorrect assumption that most Titans fans are UT fans. They were not going to let him intentionally violate a contract (which is a legal binding agreement between two or more parties) without penalty.
 
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zehr27 said:
What's the point of contracts???
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They set parameters for compensation and benefits. They also define obligations and terms of employment. That's about the extent of their usefulness in a sports setting .
 
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Orange Bison said:
And you know this because you were sitting there in the negotiations and know how much the issue was pressed? A skilled AD might have made it much more costly & difficult for an unemployed coach with no bargaining chips during negotiations to leave. We obvioulsly don't have one of those. I agree with hmanvol previous post that it is probably more of a reflection of Hammy's poor contract negotiation skills and not pressing the issue. Neither Hammy or Lane thought the USC job was going to open in the near future & or that 4 or 5 other candidates would turn them down first.
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Take a look around. AD's NEVER win. They're like the Washington Generals and Jimmy Sexton is the Harlem Globetrotters.
 
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