'22 TN ATH/RB Dallan Hayden (Ohio State commit)

[devol]

I believe there is a younger Hayden coming along, maybe third time will be a charm.

Coach Hayden is a VFL and good family.

 

[Hallie]

please log in under your other profile so you can give yourself likes…

Only got this one

 

[de1conley]

Disagree with you.

Most of the time we're on the same page but there not 1 guy in that Rb room that is a proven anything. None of them have a body of work at all. None cm in game changers either.

 

[de1conley]

So you agree with me.

I think he's better than the Tiny twins and I haven't seen enough of Evans to say either way. But I never labeled him a game changer but I don't think he's any worse than what's in that room. Also I never include Dee in Rb conversations because he's not that at all.

 

[butchna]

Most of the time we're on the same page but there not 1 guy in that Rb room that is a proven anything. None of them have a body of work at all. None cm in game changers either.

No…not PROVEN. Neither are these high school recruits at the college level. We’re left with our own individual projections at this point.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Most of the time we're on the same page but there not 1 guy in that Rb room that is a proven anything. None of them have a body of work at all. None cm in game changers either.

None have proven anything. So you don’t know that there are no game changers in the room. Thanks.

 

[Jean-Claude van Manning]

Not that it matters now that the smoke has cleared, but having watched the film of all the running backs we have been recruiting, I actually do prefer Dylan Sampson over the rest of the backs we have recruited *for our system* (with the exception of Branson Robinson). Jaylon Glover was really impressive as well. But I found it hard to get a read on Hayden. His track times (200m PR is 22.34) were decent to good, but not in the same realm as Sampson. Sampson is also a really good student and he wanted to be here - lots to be excited about.

Regarding the current crop of backs, hard not to be excited about the balance of the group. Jaylen Wright has LEGIT speed we have lacked in recent years. Tiyon Evans looks well-rounded. And Jabari Small...he isn't Eric Gray, but man he runs tough and physical. Not a stretch to imagine this group could be better than some posters are allowing in their comments.

 

[LittleVol]

And there isn't a difference maker on the roster at Rb either nor is there a rb who was a tOSU recruit

How much you want to bet Dee Beckwith is a difference maker???

 

[LittleVol]

Most of the time we're on the same page but there not 1 guy in that Rb room that is a proven anything. None of them have a body of work at all. None cm in game changers either.

Having proven anything vs being a difference maker.

Those two aren't the same.

Chandler and Gray were both p5 caliber starting RBs. Both are projected starters at OU and UNC. Both will play in the NFL barring injury. There was no need to play another RB. We needed a QB.

 

[Weezer]

And there isn't a difference maker on the roster at Rb either nor is there a rb who was a tOSU recruit

Dumb statement. You should know better than most what good coaching can do. It would be true to say there is no one who has proven to be a difference maker on the roster. But to say outright there isn't a difference maker, as if the possibility of someone developing into a difference maker is nonexistent, that just ignorant. New system, new coaches, you have no idea what we have. None of us do, and we won't know until the season starts.

Here as of late, you've gotten into trashing UT more and more. Is there something about the new staff you don't like, or have you just never liked Tennessee?

As far as players go, we have to temper our expectations on who we will sign because UT has certainly faced turmoil the last 10-15 years, and we're looking at a new staff coming in with the possibility of sanctions looming. That doesn't mean we can't find some diamonds along the way in the 3* pool of kids. Coaching and development will come in to play. Hopefully this new staff can develop because we can certainly say that wasn't happening under Pruitt or Butch or Dooley.

 

[tnhunter 10]

Not that it matters now that the smoke has cleared, but having watched the film of all the running backs we have been recruiting, I actually do prefer Dylan Sampson over the rest of the backs we have recruited *for our system* (with the exception of Branson Robinson). Jaylon Glover was really impressive as well. But I found it hard to get a read on Hayden. His track times (200m PR is 22.34) were decent to good, but not in the same realm as Sampson. Sampson is also a really good student and he wanted to be here - lots to be excited about.

Regarding the current crop of backs, hard not to be excited about the balance of the group. Jaylen Wright has LEGIT speed we have lacked in recent years. Tiyon Evans looks well-rounded. And Jabari Small...he isn't Eric Gray, but man he runs tough and physical. Not a stretch to imagine this group could be better than some posters are allowing in their comments.

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[atilla]

We’ll have a better idea in the next couple years how legit Ryan Day really is. He’s obviously recruited well out of the monster program Urbs left, but is he the developer?

Meyer was one of the greatest recruiters in CFB history, but Ryan Day has equaled it, and even elevated it, if that is possible. As far as development goes Day developed both Fields and Haskins into 1st rounders in his short time at OSU. He also coached Colin kaepernick and Sam Bradford to their most productive years in the NFL. Many more are on the way with Stroud, McCord, and Quinn Ewers..... The difference between Meyers and Day is Day surrounds himself with an absolute stud coaching staff at every position, both developmentally and recruiting wise. It's still to early in his career (3rd year as a HC) but i'd say 23-2 is pretty impressive so far.

 

[UTMVol76]

Meyer was one of the greatest recruiters in CFB history, but Ryan Day has equaled it, and even elevated it, if that is possible. As far as development goes Day developed both Fields and Haskins into 1st rounders in his short time at OSU. He also coached Colin kaepernick and Sam Bradford to their most productive years in the NFL. Many more are on the way with Stroud, McCord, and Quinn Ewers..... The difference between Meyers and Day is Day surrounds himself with an absolute stud coaching staff at every position, both developmentally and recruiting wise. It's still to early in his career (3rd year as a HC) but i'd say 23-2 is pretty impressive so far.

No doubt, but there’s also the Larry Coker factor, and that’s why I say wait a few years for more accurate evaluation. Early grades for his performance are high I would agree.

 

[atilla]

No doubt, but there’s also the Larry Coker factor, and that’s why I say wait a few years for more accurate evaluation. Early grades for his performance are high I would agree.

Completely different persona and coaching ability than Coker, heck, even Meyer. Meyer said Day was the best asistant he ever had, and that includes Dan Mullen, Kevin Wilson, and Tom Herman, to name a few. His organizational skills in running a football operation are 2nd to none. You are right about a few more years for a a more accurate evaluation, but I think it will be a slam dunk ending...... At a place like Ohio State it will hard to screw up because of the name alone.

 

[atilla]

Watching utube clips of Hayden, yeah, sure, he is decent, but there are dozens of backs in 2022 just as good, IMO. The key is knowing how to evaluate talent and see beyond the physical tools they possess ( mental toughness, motivation, etc.)....

 

[Sunkistorange]

Part of the conversation on Hayden has to include OSU's evaluation, doesn't it? They seem to know good running backs when they spot them.

If you look at the OSU insiders this week, or if you look at their reports back in January, OSU and Tony Alford had Hayden #1 on their board. Over Camar Wheaton. Over Sawshuck.

I get dogging the guy for turning his back on VN, but it seems like the guy has immense talent according to the elite evaluators up in Columbus.

Maybe he isn't just another guy?

 

[butchna]

Part of the conversation on Hayden has to include OSU's evaluation, doesn't it? They seem to know good running backs when they spot them.

If you look at the OSU insiders this week, or if you look at their reports back in January, OSU and Tony Alford had Hayden #1 on their board. Over Camar Wheaton. Over Sawshuck.

I get dogging the guy for turning his back on VN, but it seems like the guy has immense talent according to the elite evaluators up in Columbus.

Maybe he isn't just another guy?

The majority of this board recognizes Dallan’s talent level. We’re simply not going to shut the program down or give up on the position.

 

[Jean-Claude van Manning]

Part of the conversation on Hayden has to include OSU's evaluation, doesn't it? They seem to know good running backs when they spot them.

If you look at the OSU insiders this week, or if you look at their reports back in January, OSU and Tony Alford had Hayden #1 on their board. Over Camar Wheaton. Over Sawshuck.

I get dogging the guy for turning his back on VN, but it seems like the guy has immense talent according to the elite evaluators up in Columbus.

Maybe he isn't just another guy?

This is a good post & reminder for anyone who follows recruiting, and certainly why we, as fans, should probably be a little more circumspect when we project these guys (which we do for fun, but coaches do for money, so it is usually smart to defer to their opinions). Also, dogging guys can be even more costly now, as who knows who might want to transfer back here in a year or three when they see Tennessee rolling again?

Re: the Ohio State discussion and their prioritization of Hayden: Evaluating traits that make good players and then projecting them forward is pretty hard. The NFL has a plethora of information and millions ($) invested in staff and players and they STILL get it wrong pretty often. Projecting 16 and 17 year old kids into what they will be at age 20 and 21 is harder still. So the entire game is about probability and hedging risk. As fans, there is so much we don't know about these guys - so we have to use proxies like star ratings (they generally do matter), other offers, performance in other sports, verified times/heights/weights, etc. while being fully aware that we are in the dark overall as we often know nothing of their personality, drive to be great, propensity to improve or even their ability fit into a college culture. So sure, we can't discount the eval of a school like OSU.

To reiterate my post from above, I would say that we got a player in Dylan Sampson who checks a lot of boxes that you would want to see in a RB commit for our offense. According to AP and Ryan Callahan, if we don't get Branson Robinson or Hayden, we are likely only taking Sampson at RB. Given our needs at CB, ILB, OLB/DE, and likely limited numbers from transfers/sanctions, I think a good case can be made that we might rather have that spot for one of those positions. Hell, our CB situation after this year is downright risky, so I want 3-4 guys who can play corner in this class. To sum it all up: we should have been happy if we got Hayden, but we also may be better off without him. As always, this is JMO and I can provide references that will confirm that I'm often wrong.

 

[Hallie]

Having proven anything vs being a difference maker.

Those two aren't the same.

Chandler and Gray were both p5 caliber starting RBs. Both are projected starters at OU and UNC. Both will play in the NFL barring injury. There was no need to play another RB. We needed a QB.

Chandler No way plays in NFL .. Grey has a chance

 

[LittleVol]

Chandler No way plays in NFL .. Grey has a chance

Both not only will play, but they will get drafted .

People said Palmer wouldn't get drafted. I said he would go 3rd rnd.

Ty Chandler is a RB that can lineup out wide or run at you down hill OR play KR.
He has homerun speed and great hands.

You people really need to understand how bad Jeremy Pruitt messed things up.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

Dumb statement. You should know better than most what good coaching can do. It would be true to say there is no one who has proven to be a difference maker on the roster. But to say outright there isn't a difference maker, as if the possibility of someone developing into a difference maker is nonexistent, that just ignorant. New system, new coaches, you have no idea what we have. None of us do, and we won't know until the season starts.

Here as of late, you've gotten into trashing UT more and more. Is there something about the new staff you don't like, or have you just never liked Tennessee?

As far as players go, we have to temper our expectations on who we will sign because UT has certainly faced turmoil the last 10-15 years, and we're looking at a new staff coming in with the possibility of sanctions looming. That doesn't mean we can't find some diamonds along the way in the 3* pool of kids. Coaching and development will come in to play. Hopefully this new staff can develop because we can certainly say that wasn't happening under Pruitt or Butch or Dooley.

Just about what one expects form de1. Don't waste your time responding to him.

 

[cncchris33]

Both not only will play, but they will get drafted .

People said Palmer wouldn't get drafted. I said he would go 3rd rnd.

Ty Chandler is a RB that can lineup out wide or run at you down hill OR play KR.
He has homerun speed and great hands.

You people really need to understand how bad Jeremy Pruitt messed things up.

I agree. Eric Gray is one of the most widely adored draft-eligible RBs in the 2022 draft class. After Breece Hall and Isaiah Spiller, then Gray, Kyren Williams, Kevin Harris and Zamir White are part of that next group of RBs slotted below them.

Chandler may eventually be better-suited as a slot WR at the next level. Similar build to a Jarvis Landry type and good hands. He will definitely get a shot somewhere. Too many naturally-gifted attributes to not see an opportunity.

 

[atilla]

The majority of this board recognizes Dallan’s talent level. We’re simply not going to shut the program down or give up on the position.

Dallan probably is really talented but I really don't think he is going to play much with those stable of backs they already have there, and more coming in 2023. If he is impactful we will know he is really good. IMO Tennessee would have been a better option. If he is good he is going to be drafted, no matter who he plays for......

 

[SweetasSoda]

And there isn't a difference maker on the roster at Rb either nor is there a rb who was a tOSU recruit

And if they are not wearing orange Tennessee fans do not care what they do or with whom. They are meaningless.

 

[Glitch]

And if they are not wearing orange Tennessee fans do not care what they do or with whom. They are meaningless.

Oda gets it.