'20 TN CB Keshawn Lawrence (UT SIGNEE)

[Devo182]

So it's better to say that 3 players are now better than him that were not before?

That is more accurate. Drop implies a re-eval or adjustment, which didn't happen.

 

[Devo182]

Just another way of saying he dropped. If his new number is greater than it was previously, he dropped. They can spin it however they want.

Oi vay. I'm talking drop as in evaluated lower. Don't be so literal lol.

How would you suggest it work? Apparently you have an idea for a ranking system that allows some to rise, yet keeps everyone else the same # as before? lol this isn't rocket science

 

[SweetasSoda]

That is more accurate. Drop implies a re-eval or adjustment, which didn't happen.

Well, they obviously re-evaluated 3 other players that they now think is better and didn't re-evaluate him even though he did so well. So somehow in all that, it is not good for him when it should have been.

 

[#Vol4Life1991]

Oi vay. I'm talking drop as in evaluated lower. Don't be so literal lol.
How would you suggest it work? Apparently you have an idea for a ranking system that allows some to rise, yet keeps everyone else the same # as before? lol this isn't rocket science

Im not attacking you, I'm attacking the recruiting sites. They do a lot of the spinning and not enough thorough explaining (mainly b/c they fake player evaluators) about their reasoning behind the volatile change in player rankings (particularly in the offseason).

How would I suggest the high school recruiting system would work? Here's a couple ideas off top....

-Let's have retired scouts evaluate high school players.
-Let's do away with the "nfl draft predictions" evaluations.
-Stop letting the universities/coaches pay these sites to influence a guy's ranking.
-And most importantly, let the real rankings reflect in-game evaluations and not some random shirt/shorts camp.

My theory as to why there is drastic player movement in the offseason is b/c they dont know what to look for in game tape. So they mainly rely on camp stats to justify their bias of a player (positively or negatively). I've seen plenty of fanbases clap back about a guy's film not matching his ranking while having a so so camping offseason. And these sites just spill some scripted BS response OR they don't say anything at all.

 

[SweetasSoda]

Im not attacking you, I'm attacking the recruiting sites. They do a lot of the spinning and not enough thorough explaining (mainly b/c they fake player evaluators) about their reasoning behind the volatile change in player rankings (particularly in the offseason).

How would I suggest the high school recruiting system would work? Here's a couple ideas off top....

-Let's have retired scouts evaluate high school players.
-Let's do away with the "nfl draft predictions" evaluations.
-Stop letting the universities/coaches pay these sites to influence a guy's ranking.
-And most importantly, let the real rankings reflect in-game evaluations and not some random shirt/shorts camp.

My theory as to why there is drastic player movement in the offseason is b/c they dont know what to look for in game tape. So they mainly rely on camp stats to justify their bias of a player (positively or negatively). I've seen plenty of fanbases clap back about a guy's film not matching his ranking while having a so so camping offseason. And these sites just spill some scripted BS response OR they don't say anything at all.

Yes, especially the NFL draft predictions.

 

[Devo182]

Im not attacking you, I'm attacking the recruiting sites. They do a lot of the spinning and not enough thorough explaining (mainly b/c they fake player evaluators) about their reasoning behind the volatile change in player rankings (particularly in the offseason).

How would I suggest the high school recruiting system would work? Here's a couple ideas off top....

-Let's have retired scouts evaluate high school players.
-Let's do away with the "nfl draft predictions" evaluations.
-Stop letting the universities/coaches pay these sites to influence a guy's ranking.
-And most importantly, let the real rankings reflect in-game evaluations and not some random shirt/shorts camp.

My theory as to why there is drastic player movement in the offseason is b/c they dont know what to look for in game tape. So they mainly rely on camp stats to justify their bias of a player (positively or negatively). I've seen plenty of fanbases clap back about a guy's film not matching his ranking while having a so so camping offseason. And these sites just spill some scripted BS response OR they don't say anything at all.

No, I just meant in reference to KL's situation. His number went down by 3. So 3 guys jumped him. I don't see any way around this if you want to move people up...there is no numbering system that will avoid others having to lower.

Don't see why anyone cares about it, re: Lawrence.

49 spots from HB was an actual re-eval, so I get that.

...........
But I appreciate the thought that went into your post. I think having ex-scouts is an excellent idea.

 

[Devo182]

Well, they obviously re-evaluated 3 other players that they now think is better and didn't re-evaluate him even though he did so well. So somehow in all that, it is not good for him when it should have been.

He solidified his very high ranking from what they said. Most guys have a ceiling that is not #1. I mean, if he did well in 10 straight camps and they bumped him every time with no ceiling, he'd be #1 before long. Clearly they don't believe he belongs any higher.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

If you all don't stop this, you're going to cause Chef to come back.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Down 3 spots to 62 overall in 247 rankings update.

At this point it is getting hilarious..if guys still put any stock at all into 247 rankings of our recruits...then they have inhaled a few too many times..

 

[tennvols77]

I care more about the guy who will lose his job if he is wrong on a player (coach) than anyone else, especially guys who charge for their opinion.

 

[Devo182]

I care more about the guy who will lose his job if he is wrong on a player (coach) than anyone else, especially guys who charge for their opinion.

Truly. Trust this staff 100

 

[mrmax86]

At this point it is getting hilarious..if guys still put any stock at all into 247 rankings of our recruits...then they have inhaled a few too many times..

Their composite is the best because it's an average of all rankings. I don't know anyone who takes the base 247 rankings as gospel, unless it's to brag that "we got a 4-star" when 247 has them as a 4-star and Rivals has them as a 3-star. Everything I've seen on here for our team ranking uses the composite.

 

[SweetasSoda]

He solidified his very high ranking from what they said. Most guys have a ceiling that is not #1. I mean, if he did well in 10 straight camps and they bumped him every time with no ceiling, he'd be #1 before long. Clearly they don't believe he belongs any higher.

Right. He did as well as they thought he could. They already had their mind made up on how high he could go. Others did better than they thought they could so they went higher, or they went to teams they think will be really good so they look better and will be drafted higher which will make them look good. So basically what we have been saying....

 

[T Dog]

At this point it is getting hilarious..if guys still put any stock at all into 247 rankings of our recruits...then they have inhaled a few too many times..

I inhale all the time and yet I dont trust any of the services any more. Only our coaches evals.

 

[butchna]

Oi vay. I'm talking drop as in evaluated lower. Don't be so literal lol.

How would you suggest it work? Apparently you have an idea for a ranking system that allows some to rise, yet keeps everyone else the same # as before? lol this isn't rocket science

Kick the eggheads out and hire actual coaches.

 

[UTSuave’]

Very good read.

Recruiting Coordinator: Harrison Bailey is Getting "Screwed Over" | RTI

 

[Devo182]

I inhale all the time and yet I dont trust any of the services any more. Only our coaches evals.

You are wise on all accounts.

 

[T Dog]

You are wise on all accounts.

I got greys busting out my beard now. Is that what happens when one gets wizened.

 

[JRVOL11]

posted on his snap “ did I make the right decision “

 

[millst987]

Wtf

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

 

[VflPT22]

Wtf

It was 4 months ago haha

 

[Jackcrevol]

posted on his snap “ did I make the right decision “

Why would he be wearing a UT Uni asking that question? Something is fishy. Either way, we'll be fine.

Edit: Aint takin the bait.

 

[Paper_Towel]

It was 4 months ago haha

People gonna bite on that bait, and bite hardddd

 

[JRVOL11]

It was 4 months ago haha

You must not know how snap works lol