‘23 TN OLB Caleb Herring (Tennessee Commit)

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Jackcrevol said:
will be the dumb, er downfall of a great sport
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Was it the downfall when donors started donating tons of money so schools could redo a weight room every 3-4 years and do million dollar renovations to locker rooms every 5 years?

This sport has always been divided by haves and have nots, this is just the latest iteration of it. Instead of a facilities arms race it’s a player race
 
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Bruce Wayne said:
Was it the downfall when donors started donating tons of money so schools could redo a weight room every 3-4 years and do million dollar renovations to locker rooms every 5 years?

This sport has always been divided by haves and have nots, this is just the latest iteration of it. Instead of a facilities arms race it’s a player race
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a huge issue is the governing body.
 
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Governing bodies are corrupted just as easily as individuals. The problem with a governing body being corrupted is that they can affect a much larger population of people/organizations than a single corrupt individual. When a governing body is corrupted, it needs to be cleansed and have its power reduced. NCAA is watching their power circle the drain and they know it.
 
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Mr French said:
Congress isn't going to get involved IMO and they can't cap player earning potential. That's a lawsuit waiting to happen that the government would eventually lose
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NO CAP on any player, but they can for the same competitive reasons they limit schollies and walkon`s they can cap the number of NIL dollars each school is allowed to have on each sports roster. A player can get his money and play at his next favorite school just like he may not get to go to his school of choice when they run out of slots. I just bet they will not allow the Supreme Court to have the last say and put their very own favorite school at an UNLIMITED disadvantage. Won't restate my rough outline again. But is easily accomplished with existing compliance staffs at all the schools and minimal additions to the NCAA now that it is all above board. If a kid gets a raise the school does not have room for the portal is already there and he gets to take his money to the next stop, even if he has to sit out some games. Those giving the deals just have to know they are at risk if they are linking value of the kid to particular institutions. UT can get their 8 million dollar guy, but no others with substantial NIL money in a two tier system that would allow them additional hamburger type deals.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
NO CAP on any player, but they can for the same competitive reasons they limit schollies and walkon`s they can cap the number of NIL dollars each school is allowed to have on each sports roster. A player can get his money and play at his next favorite school just like he may not get to go to his school of choice when they run out of slots. I just bet they will not allow the Supreme Court to have the last say and put their very own favorite school at an UNLIMITED disadvantage. Won't restate my rough outline again. But is easily accomplished with existing compliance staffs at all the schools and minimal additions to the NCAA now that it is all above board. If a kid gets a raise the school does not have room for the portal is already there and he gets to take his money to the next stop, even if he has to sit out some games. Those giving the deals just have to know they are at risk if they are linking value of the kid to particular institutions. UT can get their 8 million dollar guy, but no others with substantial NIL money in a two tier system that would allow them additional hamburger type deals.
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That's if the institution itself was paying the player like they give scholarships but they don't. An outside entity in spyre is the one doing the deals and they have no official affiliation with tennessee. They are free to do deals with vandy players and MTSU. The NCAA literally has zero authority on the matter and if congress tried to say an individual can only earn x amount in endorsements that's illegal. Tom Brady is free to make 400 million a year in endorsements regardless of a team's salary cap because it's not the team paying the 400million.
It's literally free market and there's nothing they can do about it. Congress or the NCAA can't tell pilot they can't pay an athlete x amount of money for an endorsement. .
 
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Mr French said:
That's if the institution itself was paying the player like they give scholarships but they don't. An outside entity in spyre is the one doing the deals and they have no official affiliation with tennessee. They are free to do deals with vandy players and MTSU. The NCAA literally has zero authority on the matter and if congress tried to say an individual can only earn x amount in endorsements that's illegal. Tom Brady is free to make 400 million a year in endorsements regardless of a team's salary cap because it's not the team paying the 400million.
It's literally free market and there's nothing they can do about it. Congress or the NCAA can't tell pilot they can't pay an athlete x amount of money for an endorsement. .
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There is no need or requirement to limit the amount of money any NIL entity wishes to pay any player. They can allow the NCAA to monitor the amounts and limit the amounts of legal money each school's athletes can have. Just like schollies. The kid can take his name and his image and his likeness and his money to any school who has room under their cap. Does not have to be a schools payroll to be monitored. Bet the IRS is going to have a path to those facts. Nobody has to publish what any one player gets, there is either room under the total cap or not. No invasion of privacy required, just like health stuff with HIPPA, school knows, can't tell. NCAA knows, can't tell. Not rocket science. Schools get same number of schollies and same number of NIL dollars to use at their discretion. Money still has to be legal, especially now with restrictions on deals eliminated. All a kid has to do is report his NIL income to the NCAA clearing house that keeps score. The kid may have to decide if he wants to increase that money if it will require him to change schools, but it will be his call after he checks with the clearing house. All a school has to do is check with the clearing house before committing and enrolling a player that reduces their cap balance.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
There is no need or requirement to limit the amount of money any NIL entity wishes to pay any player. They can allow the NCAA to monitor the amounts and limit the amounts of legal money each school's athletes can have. Just like schollies. The kid can take his name and his image and his likeness and his money to any school who has room under their cap. Does not have to be a schools payroll to be monitored. Bet the IRS is going to have a path to those facts. Nobody has to publish what any one player gets, there is either room under the total cap or not. No invasion of privacy required, just like health stuff with HIPPA, school knows, can't tell. NCAA knows, can't tell. Not rocket science. Schools get same number of schollies and same number of NIL dollars to use at their discretion. Money still has to be legal, especially now with restrictions on deals eliminated. All a kid has to do is report his NIL income to the NCAA clearing house that keeps score. The kid may have to decide if he wants to increase that money if it will require him to change schools, but it will be his call after he checks with the clearing house. All a school has to do is check with the clearing house before committing and enrolling a player that reduces their cap balance.
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That's completely illegal. The NCAA CANNOT monitor a kids bank account and they cannot limit their earnings... the NCAA is not privy to specifics of an athletes health. That's why the athlete has to send in the information if they want to request a 6th year due to medical redshirt. You're stating that the NCAA knows all these things and you're flat wrong. The NCAA can't even control control coaches cheating and you're acting like they're going to go straight Marxist on how much athletes can have? They will get sued so fast it would actually be funny.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
There is no need or requirement to limit the amount of money any NIL entity wishes to pay any player. They can allow the NCAA to monitor the amounts and limit the amounts of legal money each school's athletes can have. Just like schollies. The kid can take his name and his image and his likeness and his money to any school who has room under their cap. Does not have to be a schools payroll to be monitored. Bet the IRS is going to have a path to those facts. Nobody has to publish what any one player gets, there is either room under the total cap or not. No invasion of privacy required, just like health stuff with HIPPA, school knows, can't tell. NCAA knows, can't tell. Not rocket science. Schools get same number of schollies and same number of NIL dollars to use at their discretion. Money still has to be legal, especially now with restrictions on deals eliminated. All a kid has to do is report his NIL income to the NCAA clearing house that keeps score. The kid may have to decide if he wants to increase that money if it will require him to change schools, but it will be his call after he checks with the clearing house. All a school has to do is check with the clearing house before committing and enrolling a player that reduces their cap balance.
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Someone isn't paying attention to the Supreme Court ruling and the language used in that preceeding. The justices basically dared the NCAA to try to implement the methodology you're proposing. It would not end well for them if they did. The threat of litigation has made them impotent.
 
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Mr French said:
That's completely illegal. The NCAA CANNOT monitor a kids bank account and they cannot limit their earnings... the NCAA is not privy to specifics of an athletes health. That's why the athlete has to send in the information if they want to request a 6th year due to medical redshirt. You're stating that the NCAA knows all these things and you're flat wrong. The NCAA can't even control control coaches cheating and you're acting like they're going to go straight Marxist on how much athletes can have? They will get sued so fast it would actually be funny.
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Man you are slow, the kid can get his money, he will only be limited by the schools willing to accept his hit to their cap. Doubt a five star will have a problem finidng a home. Your redshirt analogy is a good one, in the new NIL world if a kid wants to play while earning NIL money he will have to define his amount per anum to the NCAA. The NCAA then since they are keeping score of each school can respond to the school whether or not they have the room under their cap to add the guy. If not they simply move on. The NCAA won't care if the kid goes to that school and not play. The guys providing the money for the players deals get to pay him wherever he lands since it cannot be related to any institution. The player is still just as fast, with just as strong an arm, with the same looks and charm no matter where he plays. Just like the schollie limits, 86 counters cannot sign with BAMA.. BTW anybody with an NIL deal over y? is a counter schollie or not. The cap size per school might have to be adjusted as involvement increases to insure that no player will not have a home with cap space somewhere in the NCAA. Lots of schools times X? could go a long way. No reason for any under the table deals anymore and should be dealt with harshly for the player or the school or both. IRS will be equally interested in accuracy.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
Man you are slow, the kid can get his money, he will only be limited by the schools willing to accept his hit to their cap. Doubt a five star will have a problem finidng a home. Your redshirt analogy is a good one, in the new NIL world if a kid wants to play while earning NIL money he will have to define his amount per anum to the NCAA. The NCAA then since they are keeping score of each school can respond to the school whether or not they have the room under their cap to add the guy. If not they simply move on. The NCAA won't care if the kid goes to that school and not play. The guys providing the money for the players deals get to pay him wherever he lands since it cannot be related to any institution. The player is still just as fast, with just as strong an arm, with the same looks and charm no matter where he plays. Just like the schollie limits, 86 counters cannot sign with BAMA.. BTW anybody with an NIL deal over y? is a counter schollie or not. The cap size per school might have to be adjusted as involvement increases to insure that no player will not have a home with cap space somewhere in the NCAA. Lots of schools times X? could go a long way. No reason for any under the table deals anymore and should be dealt with harshly for the player or the school or both. IRS will be equally interested in accuracy.
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You criticizing others because they won't buy into your hypothetical illusion is strange. Bottom line, the NCAA isn't going to do anything that even gives the appearance of limiting a player in any way without potential litigation. No defacto salary cap, real or imagined is going to be tolerated. No matter how badly you want to believe.
 
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volsfan_17 said:
You criticizing others because they won't buy into your hypothetical illusion is strange. Bottom line, the NCAA isn't going to do anything that even gives the appearance of limiting a player in any way without potential litigation. No defacto salary cap, real or imagined is going to be tolerated. No matter how badly you want to believe.
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They will welcome the player and his deal and be glad to tell him which schools on his list have room for his cap hit. Schools may have to elect to take one multii-million dollar hit (one player can be unlimited in earnings and still play) rather than several smaller deals. Simply spreading the weatlth just like schollie limits do. It is easily traceable and functional. Just bet some guys in D.C. will want to protect their schools from HAVE'S. Guys in Memphis may want to cover them, Murfreesboro guys for MTSU limiting UT, GT from GA, the entire G5 schools from the P5, etc. Votes will be there if it gets going. Bet they can meet the mark established down the street at the Supreme Court.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
They will welcome the player and his deal and be glad to tell him which schools on his list have room for his cap hit. Schools may have to elect to take one multii-million dollar hit (one player can be unlimited in earnings and still play) rather than several smaller deals. Simply spreading the weatlth just like schollie limits do. It is easily traceable and functional. Just bet some guys in D.C. will want to protect their schools from HAVE'S. Guys in Memphis may want to cover them, Murfreesboro guys for MTSU limiting UT, GT from GA, the entire G5 schools from the P5, etc. Votes will be there if it gets going. Bet they can meet the mark established down the street at the Supreme Court.
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What your talking about is a defacto Salary cap per team. The only narrative it fits is your own. The NCAA has been put on notice by the highest court in the land, they're dumb, but not that dumb. This idea wouldn't get the least bit of traction due to the mere hint of potential litigation.

I give you points for originality, but I don't think it feasible on any level.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
Man you are slow, the kid can get his money, he will only be limited by the schools willing to accept his hit to their cap. Doubt a five star will have a problem finidng a home. Your redshirt analogy is a good one, in the new NIL world if a kid wants to play while earning NIL money he will have to define his amount per anum to the NCAA. The NCAA then since they are keeping score of each school can respond to the school whether or not they have the room under their cap to add the guy. If not they simply move on. The NCAA won't care if the kid goes to that school and not play. The guys providing the money for the players deals get to pay him wherever he lands since it cannot be related to any institution. The player is still just as fast, with just as strong an arm, with the same looks and charm no matter where he plays. Just like the schollie limits, 86 counters cannot sign with BAMA.. BTW anybody with an NIL deal over y? is a counter schollie or not. The cap size per school might have to be adjusted as involvement increases to insure that no player will not have a home with cap space somewhere in the NCAA. Lots of schools times X? could go a long way. No reason for any under the table deals anymore and should be dealt with harshly for the player or the school or both. IRS will be equally interested in accuracy.
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You're slow. What part of the institution doesn't pay the athlete... You're fairy world isn't going to happen so drop it. You sound like an idiot.
If the the institution doesn't pay the NCAA has literally zero jurisdiction so get bent.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
They will welcome the player and his deal and be glad to tell him which schools on his list have room for his cap hit. Schools may have to elect to take one multii-million dollar hit (one player can be unlimited in earnings and still play) rather than several smaller deals. Simply spreading the weatlth just like schollie limits do. It is easily traceable and functional. Just bet some guys in D.C. will want to protect their schools from HAVE'S. Guys in Memphis may want to cover them, Murfreesboro guys for MTSU limiting UT, GT from GA, the entire G5 schools from the P5, etc. Votes will be there if it gets going. Bet they can meet the mark established down the street at the Supreme Court.
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This is something a communist would say. I hate communism. Also, what you are suggesting is completely illegal.
 
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