‘23 TN SDE Nathan Robinson (Tennessee commit)

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Probably_in_Class said:
I didn't criticize the player. I didn't say taking guys with weak offer lists was terrible. I even qualified by reiterating it was my opinion. So what exactly are you whining about?

I don't think it's a smart strategy to take low rated, poor offer list guys, this far in advance. If you want to disagree with that, try adding something to the discussion instead of just tossing out nonsense insults.
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Unless of course you are an experienced coach fully vested in taking the best players you can find with recruiting consultants on retainer studying every second of tape and doing all sorts of athletic and personal evaluations... who then decides a kid is a take this early.

Not insulting you but this kid's video looks really good. Now the coaching staff has stamped their approval on his potential to help the program.

The departure of Burns and the discussion around a scholarship non-offer relates here. Apparently Heupel liked a WR recruit while Burns wasn't sold. So they held off offering him. If that's the method which it probably is then this kid was a take for the entire staff including RG.

Coaches make recruiting mistakes all the time. But I think you kind of answered your own objection. If they're taking his commitment then they have him somewhere at the top of their board.
 
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Zvols said:
I would say that while it’s okay to questions coaches decisions, in this case I would be very happy to get this commitment. 1) He has added 30lbs to his 6’6 frame in the last year and now stands at 280lbs. Staff wasn’t 100% on board until they saw how he moved with the new weight. 2) Rodney Garner is an elite recruiter and developer at DL and if he thinks Robinson can cut it, then I’m inclined to believe him. I have to think he could get involved with a lot of players if he wanted to. 3) Kid has a marine corps father so I have a feeling he’s going to take the tough coaching from Garner well.
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That all makes sense, and there's no point in my posts where I even say I don't want the kid. I just think it's early based on his other offers. Every single cycle we have some fringe commits and then we're hunting for space around ESD and NSD. If he had offers from half the SEC plus some Big 10 schools, then I'd say we do have a lot of competition for him and should push for the commitment.
 
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Zvols said:
I would say that while it’s okay to questions coaches decisions, in this case I would be very happy to get this commitment. 1) He has added 30lbs to his 6’6 frame in the last year and now stands at 280lbs. Staff wasn’t 100% on board until they saw how he moved with the new weight. 2) Rodney Garner is an elite recruiter and developer at DL and if he thinks Robinson can cut it, then I’m inclined to believe him. I have to think he could get involved with a lot of players if he wanted to. 3) Kid has a marine corps father so I have a feeling he’s going to take the tough coaching from Garner well.
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Thanks for that post. Like almost all HS DL recruits, he needs development. He needs more power in his lower half so he can play lower. He tends to "pop up" too quickly off the ball.

That said he seems to do some things instinctively that could make him really, really good once he's developed in S&C. He plays with his hands and his eyes. He anticipates very well and seems to naturally play leverage. He moves good laterally for a big guy. Lots of things to like about this commit.
 
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sjt18 said:
Unless of course you are an experienced coach fully vested in taking the best players you can find with recruiting consultants on retainer studying every second of tape and doing all sorts of athletic and personal evaluations... who then decides a kid is a take this early.

Not insulting you but this kid's video looks really good. Now the coaching staff has stamped their approval on his potential to help the program.

The departure of Burns and the discussion around a scholarship non-offer relates here. Apparently Heupel liked a WR recruit while Burns wasn't sold. So they held off offering him. If that's the method which it probably is then this kid was a take for the entire staff including RG.

Coaches make recruiting mistakes all the time. But I think you kind of answered your own objection. If they're taking his commitment then they have him somewhere at the top of their board.
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Your post right after this is a bit better summary of my feelings. If he doesn't have a ton of offers and was basically viewed as a lock, then you don't necessarily need to take him this early.

He could get hurt, he could gain bad weight over the summer, he could have a poor senior season, he could start dating a girl that goes to Georgia, etc. Any number of things could change. What wouldn't change is if we end up needing space and have to drop a TN kid late in the process, that's always a bad look. Clearly, none of that could happen as well. All I was trying to say, before the entire board jumped on me, was I thought it was a bit early strategically. That's my opinion.
 
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I’m reading between the lines here a bit, but if this kid had a conditional offer (gain x lbs, etc) then I really love this because he’s proving he’ll have the work ethic required to succeed.
 
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Probably_in_Class said:
Your post right after this is a bit better summary of my feelings. If he doesn't have a ton of offers and was basically viewed as a lock, then you don't necessarily need to take him this early.

He could get hurt, he could gain bad weight over the summer, he could have a poor senior season, he could start dating a girl that goes to Georgia, etc. Any number of things could change. What wouldn't change is if we end up needing space and have to drop a TN kid late in the process, that's always a bad look. Clearly, none of that could happen as well. All I was trying to say, before the entire board jumped on me, was I thought it was a bit early strategically. That's my opinion.
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And people offered their opinion on your opinion. It's a message board. Go figure.
 
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Zvols said:
I would say that while it’s okay to questions coaches decisions, in this case I would be very happy to get this commitment. 1) He has added 30lbs to his 6’6 frame in the last year and now stands at 280lbs. Staff wasn’t 100% on board until they saw how he moved with the new weight. 2) Rodney Garner is an elite recruiter and developer at DL and if he thinks Robinson can cut it, then I’m inclined to believe him. I have to think he could get involved with a lot of players if he wanted to. 3) Kid has a marine corps father so I have a feeling he’s going to take the tough coaching from Garner well.
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4) He led the nation in sacks last year.
 
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Probably_in_Class said:
Your post right after this is a bit better summary of my feelings. If he doesn't have a ton of offers and was basically viewed as a lock, then you don't necessarily need to take him this early.

He could get hurt, he could gain bad weight over the summer, he could have a poor senior season, he could start dating a girl that goes to Georgia, etc. Any number of things could change. What wouldn't change is if we end up needing space and have to drop a TN kid late in the process, that's always a bad look. Clearly, none of that could happen as well. All I was trying to say, before the entire board jumped on me, was I thought it was a bit early strategically. That's my opinion.
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I understand your point. I do. Thing is the coaches think he's good enough to lock up now... and by implication believe there are risks they don't want by leaving him out there for others to find.
 
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jakez4ut said:
6'5"...270...at a position we need depth in big time.

Lol at the "questions"...
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To play the devil's advocate, you can't waste a scholarship at a position of need on a low probability recruit.

My argument to Probably in Class has aligned with what you just wrote. The coaches apparently think this guy is likely to help and they can't afford to take a ton of bad risks at this point.
 
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Probably_in_Class said:
Your post right after this is a bit better summary of my feelings. If he doesn't have a ton of offers and was basically viewed as a lock, then you don't necessarily need to take him this early.

He could get hurt, he could gain bad weight over the summer, he could have a poor senior season, he could start dating a girl that goes to Georgia, etc. Any number of things could change. What wouldn't change is if we end up needing space and have to drop a TN kid late in the process, that's always a bad look. Clearly, none of that could happen as well. All I was trying to say, before the entire board jumped on me, was I thought it was a bit early strategically. That's my opinion.
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Rodney Garner wants him. That’s all that matters. End of discussion. Now welcome the kid to Rocky Top and move on.
 
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sjt18 said:
To play the devil's advocate, you can't waste a scholarship at a position of need on a low probability recruit.

My argument to Probably in Class has aligned with what you just wrote. The coaches apparently think this guy is likely to help and they can't afford to take a ton of bad risks at this point.
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Who says it's a waste? 🤔
 
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mrmax86 said:
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This scares the hell out of me
 
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