To be honest

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They have put together a flashy offense, but I have not seen them close the deal on games that could be won in the fourth on sec defenses. . there great on lesser talented teams
 
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False starts in no way, shape, or form reflect on the coaching staff... Holding, Pass Interference, Illegal Formation; those are technique and placement calls you can relate to coaching... False starts are totally mental... People that say otherwise are just trying to correlate any negatives they can to their own confirmation biases... In fact, that's what 95% of this board is...
 
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BruinVol said:
The progress has been in talent and natural maturity of being older. I see absolutely no evidence that the discipline side of things has progressed. We still look poorly coached in that department and yes it's very evident on offense IMO
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What? Quit basing your knowledge on an EA Sports video game. "Natural maturity" doesn't happen too much without a little outside motivation. I agree the coaching staff has done less than expected but that doesn't mean you can short-change them in one aspect that they have done well in.
 
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BruinVol said:
As good as the numbers show it still reaks of a poor disciplined offense. Way to many penalties and poorly used time outs. Clock management is atrocious. Saturday with a 1pt lead inside of 5min(the drive Dallas dropped the TD) we snapped the balled with 20 seconds or more on the play clock for 3 straight plays. Terrible coaching in that instance and too many more times to count.
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The offense is predicated on keeping a certain fast paced rythm. There is no taking your foot off the gas bc the players need to hit that groove and stay there.
 
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0-5 for 3 straight years to start conference play, time for a change and no more excuses. Dooley has worn out every excuse known to mankind in defense of lack of coaching, time to move on.
 
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howie87 said:
False starts in no way, shape, or form reflect on the coaching staff... Holding, Pass Interference, Illegal Formation; those are technique and placement calls you can relate to coaching... False starts are totally mental... People that say otherwise are just trying to correlate any negatives they can to their own confirmation biases... In fact, that's what 95% of this board is...
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Pre snap penalties are absolutely a sign of a nondisciplne team. You are making the point for me when you are saying that false start penalties are mental. Sure they are mental and guess who is suppose to ingrain a level of mental toughness and discipline into their team????

Well coached teams play with mental toughness and discipline!
 
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chattavfl86 said:
The offense is predicated on keeping a certain fast paced rythm. There is no taking your foot off the gas bc the players need to hit that groove and stay there.
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So it's your stance with a lead its ok for our offense to run mutliple plays with 20 plus seconds left on the play clock with less than 5 minutes left in the game??

I hope you aren't saying that if you want to come on here and act like you have any type of football intelligence.
 
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eh, alot of our old offenses would probably have put up big numbers too if they had to throw it downfield constantly to try to keep up with teams that were just scoring automatically on our defense.
 
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Our offense is the best we have had in a while. Our running game is better than we have had in a few years. HOWEVER, our record is what? I care more about what our won/loss record is than how we get there.
 
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BruinVol said:
Pre snap penalties are absolutely a sign of a nondisciplne team. You are making the point for me when you are saying that false start penalties are mental. Sure they are mental and guess who is suppose to ingrain a level of mental toughness and discipline into their team????

Well coached teams play with mental toughness and discipline!
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Show me a statistic correlating false start penalties with "mental toughness" and I'll believe it... Otherwise, I'm inclined to believe that some things simply fall mostly, if not completely, on the player.

If a player gets it right over and over in practice and gets it wrong in game, I'm not blaming the coach for the player's mistake. I know, I'm zany...
 
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howie87 said:
Show me a statistic correlating false start penalties with "mental toughness" and I'll believe it... Otherwise, I'm inclined to believe that some things simply fall mostly, if not completely, on the player.

If a player gets it right over and over in practice and gets it wrong in game, I'm not blaming the coach for the player's mistake. I know, I'm zany...
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Name me the top 5 most discipline teams in football and I bet you they are also at the bottom of pre snap penalties against. How many pre snap penalties you think Saban is willing to tolerate???
 
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BruinVol said:
Name me the top 5 most discipline teams in football and I bet you they are also at the bottom of pre snap penalties against. How many pre snap penalties you think Saban is willing to tolerate???
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Why can't you name them, it's your argument... I'll give you the top 5 "most disciplined" which I'm assuming somewhere in your mind equates to fewest penalties PER PLAY: Navy, Boston College, Kansas, Air Force, and Army... Awesome... If you noticed in my original thought I included a pre-snap penalty... However, we were discussing only false start penalties in that instance... Since you've expanded that to ALL pre-snap penalties, let's just go ahead and include ALL in-game penalties...

I just crunched the numbers for yah breh on overall TEAM PENALTIES PER GAME... Guess what it showed... Absolutely no correlation between winning records and penalties per game... I'm guessing this is going to be a lot for you to take in, but the correlation coefficient between penalties per game and team wins was .271657, the r2 value is (wait for it, lol) .073798 and that is absolutely hilarious... So please stop, please stop looking for any single thing you can jump on, like I said previously just to fit your own confirmation bias... If you want to present to me a discussion rooted somewhere in logic and physical evidence, I'd be more than happy to listen, until then just go away...
 
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BruinVol said:
The no huddle does more to hurt this team than help. Our talent on offense doesn't need that kind of gimmick especially when It puts our d on the field for more possessions. No huddle should be scrapped the rest of the year
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Right....because the defense can't keep up. If they could,, it would be absolutely lethal.
 
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howie87 said:
Why can't you name them, it's your argument... I'll give you the top 5 "most disciplined" which I'm assuming somewhere in your mind equates to fewest penalties PER PLAY: Navy, Boston College, Kansas, Air Force, and Army... Awesome... If you noticed in my original thought I included a pre-snap penalty... However, we were discussing only false start penalties in that instance... Since you've expanded that to ALL pre-snap penalties, let's just go ahead and include ALL in-game penalties...

I just crunched the numbers for yah breh on overall TEAM PENALTIES PER GAME... Guess what it showed... Absolutely no correlation between winning records and penalties per game... I'm guessing this is going to be a lot for you to take in, but the correlation coefficient between penalties per game and team wins was .271657, the r2 value is (wait for it, lol) .073798 and that is absolutely hilarious... So please stop, please stop looking for any single thing you can jump on, like I said previously just to fit your own confirmation bias... If you want to present to me a discussion rooted somewhere in logic and physical evidence, I'd be more than happy to listen, until then just go away...
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Is there info on number of false start penalties for all SEC teams out there?


Good work on getting some info. BTW I have a math degree so your back handed sarcasm doesn't fly!
 
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reminds me of 2005, one of the best defenses we ever had but also had one of the worst offenses
 
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vols2345 said:
Maybe tee has led a more clutch offense bit not one has ever been on brays level. he has choked at the end a couple times but not one has been asked to do more ever than tyler bray
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You are extremely young and extremely naive if you believe this.
 
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vols2345 said:
I just wish we had more fans of what tennessee is trying to do. For years fans called for any offense like this. Its what I always wanted.
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Congratulations! You got what you wanted - a ton of losses and one of the worst teams in the conference.
 
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BruinVol said:
So it's your stance with a lead its ok for our offense to run mutliple plays with 20 plus seconds left on the play clock with less than 5 minutes left in the game??

I hope you aren't saying that if you want to come on here and act like you have any type of football intelligence.
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No we were pleading in the stands for them to huddle up. What im saying is theyve changed their offensive philosophy to this fast pace offense and im not exactly sure they are capable of huddling up. I think once they hit that groove they have to remain in it or risk getting out of rythm and bogging down.

My other point is that it obviously worked for us bc the offense clearly saved the defense by staying in that groove and continuing to score. Regardless of whether we agree with it or not, it worked.
 
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Offense can be fun to watch because of big play ability, but I still see a lot wrong.
For one, they still has too many 3 and outs. Chaney has virtually no lateral passing game, which is actually the best way to get CP the ball more often, ...instead of putting him at TB which is a dead giveaway for the play you are going to run.
The thing about running the bubble screen is having a player who can make the first guy miss. CP is one of the best I've ever seen. Why he isn't catching more balls behind the line of scrimmage is crazy.
Next, the short yardage running game is still atrocious. They are better to pass on 3 and 1.
If Bray was an actual student of the game then yes, this could be one of the greatest. This team has missed a lot of opportunities because Bray can't check at the line. They've had single coverage on the outside a few times, and the team runs it up the gut.
 
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