To Cal...

#26
#26
Eh... In hindsight, I basically view that game as a tie. Oklahoma barely had it won through Adrian Peterson's heroics, then Oklahoma got jobbed (unintentionally), but they DID give up 2 touchdowns in 26 seconds of game time, which is inexcusable no matter the circumstance.

I think Cal could lose one though, if they slack again. The Pac-10, with the exception of Stanford, continue to proves its parity this weekend as Washington downs UCLA. We all know Stanford is capable of reaching up, though. They still suck otherwise, but basically, picture it as if Arkansas were the bottom of the SEC. Yeah, they suck, but can be scary to play because they are still fully capable of winning if you screw up. Add in the Stanford-Cal rivalry... Cal won't have one gimme the rest of the season.
 
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milohimself said:
Eh... In hindsight, I basically view that game as a tie. Oklahoma barely had it won through Adrian Peterson's heroics, then Oklahoma got jobbed (unintentionally), but they DID give up 2 touchdowns in 26 seconds of game time, which is inexcusable no matter the circumstance.

I think Cal could lose one though, if they slack again. The Pac-10, with the exception of Stanford, continue to proves its parity this weekend as Washington downs UCLA. We all know Stanford is capable of reaching up, though. They still suck otherwise, but basically, picture it as if Arkansas were the bottom of the SEC. Yeah, they suck, but can be scary to play because they are still fully capable of winning if you screw up. Add in the Stanford-Cal rivalry... Cal won't have one gimme the rest of the season.
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You keep digging holes. With the way they rolled ASU, they should be able to take the other Pac teams handily... except for maybe Oregon, and of course USC.
 
#28
#28
Like I said, we'll see. It ain't like the SEC where a top team can have a Vandy/UK/Miss/MSU/S. Carolina on the schedule, slack off and still win.

Alls I meant by it is that if Cal shows up to even one of the 8 remaining Pac-10 games without being ready, they have a pretty good shot at losing.
 
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#29
The second TD Oregon scored in that 26 second span came after the botched onside kick. They shouldn't have even had the ball.

On a side note, I hate having to pick Pac Ten games.
 
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milohimself said:
Like I said, we'll see. It ain't like the SEC where a top team can have a Vandy/UK/Miss/MSU/S. Carolina on the schedule, slack off and still win.
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Nope. It's the PAC-10 where you get powerhouses like Arizona, Stanford, Oregon State, and Washington State. Other than USC there aren't any great teams in the PAC-10. Even teams like Oregon, Arizona State, California and UCLA often look fine against other PAC-10 teams but then get torched by any good team from another power conference. The PAC-10 teams need to learn how to play defense. With the exception of USC, the defenses in the PAC-10 are an absolue joke.

I told you that Cal would finish no worse than 4th in the PAC-10. The PAC-10 is tough at the very top of the conference (USC), but it's weak after that.
 
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Vol423 said:
Nope. It's the PAC-10 where you get powerhouses like Arizona, Stanford, Oregon State, and Washington State. Other than USC there aren't any great teams in the PAC-10. Even teams like Oregon, Arizona State, California and UCLA often look fine against other PAC-10 teams but then get torched by any good team from another power conference. The PAC-10 teams need to learn how to play defense. With the exception of USC, the defenses in the PAC-10 are an absolue joke.

I told you that Cal would finish no worse than 4th in the PAC-10. The PAC-10 is tough at the very top of the conference (USC), but it's weak after that.
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Thank you! This is the exact response I was about to make. :wacko:
 
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Vol423 said:
Nope. It's the PAC-10 where you get powerhouses like Arizona, Stanford, Oregon State, and Washington State. Other than USC there aren't any great teams in the PAC-10. Even teams like Oregon, Arizona State, California and UCLA often look fine against other PAC-10 teams but then get torched by any good team from another power conference. The PAC-10 teams need to learn how to play defense. With the exception of USC, the defenses in the PAC-10 are an absolue joke.

I told you that Cal would finish no worse than 4th in the PAC-10. The PAC-10 is tough at the very top of the conference (USC), but it's weak after that.
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I know the defenses are weak. But the bottom of the Pac-10 is better than the bottom of the SEC. Here, you slack off, you get beat. Every game is a trap game. Vs. the SEC, where if you play any of the bottom 4-5 teams, you can take the day off and at worst get a reasonable scare.

I still respect your guys' opinion. You're debating the issue with better points than "SEC roolz pac10 sux"

I'm just a little flustered with Cal's non-conference tendencies as of late. It's basically the same embarassment level as the SEC Champions losing to any Big East team... A few times. And then it's amplified by the fact that every knucklehead east of the Rockies likes to make the Pac-10 the primary target of ridicule, when most of 'em don't even stay up late enough to watch the games.
 
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milohimself said:
I know the defenses are weak. But the bottom of the Pac-10 is better than the bottom of the SEC. Here, you slack off, you get beat. Every game is a trap game. Vs. the SEC, where if you play any of the bottom 4-5 teams, you can take the day off and at worst get a reasonable scare.

I still respect your guys' opinion. You're debating the issue with better points than "SEC roolz pac10 sux"

I'm just a little flustered with Cal's non-conference tendencies as of late. It's basically the same embarassment level as the SEC Champions losing to any Big East team... A few times. And then it's amplified by the fact that every knucklehead east of the Rockies likes to make the Pac-10 the primary target of ridicule, when most of 'em don't even stay up late enough to watch the games.
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With all due respect, USC could play its third string against the bottom tier of the PAC-10 (such as Arizona) and still win the game. USC played its D-game against Arizona this past weekend and still beat them handily.
 
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#36
Who besides USC is playing better than Cal? Don't even THINK about saying Oregon. They got a gift from the officials to beat OU.
 
#37
#37
I wouldn't say better than Cal but just as good. I like Oregon, HATE their uniforms, but I think they've got a shot in the dark at the PAC10
 
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#38
milohimself said:
I know the defenses are weak. But the bottom of the Pac-10 is better than the bottom of the SEC. Here, you slack off, you get beat. Every game is a trap game. Vs. the SEC, where if you play any of the bottom 4-5 teams, you can take the day off and at worst get a reasonable scare.

I still respect your guys' opinion. You're debating the issue with better points than "SEC roolz pac10 sux"

I'm just a little flustered with Cal's non-conference tendencies as of late. It's basically the same embarassment level as the SEC Champions losing to any Big East team... A few times. And then it's amplified by the fact that every knucklehead east of the Rockies likes to make the Pac-10 the primary target of ridicule, when most of 'em don't even stay up late enough to watch the games.
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Milo, i know what you are trying to say and i admire the fact that you defend the Pac 10 here....and i'll go so far as to agree with you that top to bottom, the Pac 10 is the most competitive conference, and i'll further agree that it's feast or famine in the SEC.

But here's the difference between the two...in the Pac 10, while it may be competitive between positions 1-9, USC is clearly the class of the league. the others beat up on each other and USC beats them all. And in the end, there is only one national power in the league and that's USC.

in the SEC, while we definitely have our fill of UK, Vandy, Ole Miss, and MSU, the top half of the conference, most years anway, is not only competitive with in the conference, it is nationally as well. Each year, Auburn, Alabama, LSU, Tennessee, Florida and Georgia all enter the season with legtimate chances at one, knocking each other off, two, winning their respective division, and three winnin the SEC CG. This is the only conf. where half of the conf. each year can boast that.

Competition is what makes the SEC great. going back over the past 15 years, 4 different teams have won national titles...Bama, UF, TN, and LSU. 6 different teams since the league went in to divisonal play have won the conference. the only teams not to have been to the SECCG are UK, Vandy, USC and Ole Miss...the other 8 have all been to it. Only 3 different teams have gone udefeated since the league split up...Bama, TN, and Auburn, twice.

Competiton at the end of the day is what makes this conference great.

in the Pac 10, it is one horse show. it's a great horse, don't get me wrong. The Big 10 is OSU and Michigan. The big 12 is TX and OK...and NEB. the ACC...well who can keep track, but FSU has dominated that conf. since they joined, and they won it last year too. The Big East...historically, anyway, is a joke. They could however become legit again if they keep going like they have thus far.

and it's not a slam of the Pac 10...just trying to shed some lihgt as to why folks in SEC country really truly feel our conf. is the best.
 
#39
#39
Wow Jake. Reading that makes me sad that Auburn didn't get their shot at USC during that undefeated season. think about THAT 5 of 12 with national titles in the past 15 years? That would be unreal.
 
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rwemyss said:
Wow Jake. Reading that makes me sad that Auburn didn't get their shot at USC during that undefeated season. think about THAT 5 of 12 with national titles in the past 15 years? That would be unreal.
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they also didn't get a chance in what, 93? 94? when they were on probation and went 11-0. Auburn is the only team in the last 15 years in the SEC to have multiple undfeated seasons....how 'bout that? how'd you like to be an Auburn fan and know that you probably had two of the best teams ever in SEC history and you have no hardware (0 national titles and only 1 SEC title) to show for it....it kind of makes me laugh a little bit.:birgits_giggle:
 
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#43
I won't quote Jake's post but I want to add to it and say that in my mind no other conference has so many bitter rivalries in conference (the Third Sat in Oct, the Iron Bowl, The Egg bowl, the cocktail party, the beer barrel, UT vs Vandy (I know it hasn't been a real contest lately but the General was hired to beat Vandy and they always bring their "A" game against us). Even overmatched teams plat tough against their rivals even if they have stunk it up all yr long.
 
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jakez4ut said:
they also didn't get a chance in what, 93? 94? when they were on probation and went 11-0. Auburn is the only team in the last 15 years in the SEC to have multiple undfeated seasons....how 'bout that? how'd you like to be an Auburn fan and know that you probably had two of the best teams ever in SEC history and you have no hardware (0 national titles and only 1 SEC title) to show for it....it kind of makes me laugh a little bit.:birgits_giggle:
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It makes me laugh too, Jake. Too bad the rest of the time recently Auburn has only made me cry.
 
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#45
volmanjr said:
I won't quote Jake's post but I want to add to it and say that in my mind no other conference has so many bitter rivalries in conference (the Third Sat in Oct, the Iron Bowl, The Egg bowl, the cocktail party, the beer barrel, UT vs Vandy (I know it hasn't been a real contest lately but the General was hired to beat Vandy and they always bring their "A" game against us). Even overmatched teams plat tough against their rivals even if they have stunk it up all yr long.
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another very good point.:good!:
 
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#46
TuskALoosa said:
It makes me laugh too, Jake. Too bad the rest of the time recently Auburn has only made me cry.
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Auburn has been making a lot of folks cry the past few years...try losing to them twice in the same year. that's fun.
 
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#48
jakez4ut said:
thanks...and don't think on it too long....:p
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School has got me all tired now. I can't believe my sleeping habits are back in order... I feel like I'm being forced out of jet lag. As such, excuse any misspellings there may be (Wemus).

Believe me, I know well what SEC fans think of their conference. It's deserved, however. Few teams around the country can match the history and tradition of a Tennessee or an Alabama, and even fewer can match the experience of a Georgia or an LSU. The SEC is the best football conference in college sports. You will find no debate here on that topic.

You guys know I'm never one to run around and make wild claims about the Pac-10. I know USC is a step above everyone else. UCLA could be on the same level, except that athletic department is more dedicated to success in all sports rather than dominance in football. And USC really is the only Pac-10 school with a great football history. Most of the other schools just have brief stretches of success among general mediocrity. And I know that the conference takes a definite backseat to the SEC and Big Ten... Although I think it is on its way to taking a firm step ahead of definitley the ACC, and possibly the Big XII. I'll explain why in a second...

The sheer lack of importance placed on football out here is very much different to the south and the rust belt. California still manages to churn out a lot of talent, because 1/5 of the country happens to live down there. So it keeps the talent level afloat. I think why the west coast places so much less importance on football in the south and in the rust belt would be a great topic worth discussing some other time.

The topic of debate can get tiresome and annoying though, at least for reasonable west coast fans. I firmly believe that we here, as a whole, take more crap than fans of all other conferences combined. And I hate to make blanket statements, but it's usually from people who have never been west of the Mississippi River, maybe the Great Plains.

When you talk to any Pac-10 fan (except a USC one), you generally get one overwhelming sense. The need to prove legitimacy or at least take the chance at it whenever possible. A genuie, earnest need. We've dealt with failure before, and done it time and again with class and dignity. We don't shy away from it though. Pac-10 features easily the best non-conference practices out of any BCS conference. If a school has not found a winning way, they are working hard as hell on it.

No, I don't think west coast football will ever quite be on a level with the south. We're not Permian-level crazy for the game. We're fond of it, and there are smaller towns that are big on the game. But among the sense of defensiveness and earnestness about football out here, you'll find one thing overall; life beyond football.

It's somewhat of a curse for football fans... But a blessing that most are able to worry about other things.

/ramblings
 
#49
#49
Milo- trying to push any other conference to almost any SEC fan is like trying to pedal Tylenol to a crack addict, it just don't cut it. College football is like a second religion to most 'fan'atics in the south. People plan the other events of their lives around their teams schedule. However, I think most of them know that there is life beyond football.....like basketball, and baseball.
 
#50
#50
There are only two problems I find with your post milo. 1) About UCLA trying to be good in EVERY sport... UT has made the postseason a regular thing in football, women's basketball, baseball,track & field (indoor as well as outdoor), women's soccer, men's tennis, and women's volleyball... I'm sure there are others, not to mention the Men's basketball run into the tournament last year, and the two straight WCWS appearances for the Softball team... that bodes well for the future. Plenty of other SEC schools have similar resumes.
2) The fact of the matter is, that at every attempt by a school that doesn't have "Southern California" in its name has failed miserably in the department of "proving legitimacy" in football. With the recent decline of Arizona basketball, and the earlier decline in UCLA basketball (which is arguably back up... is Farmar back this year?), they are having trouble with that sport as well... but that is a discussion that should be left for a couple of months down the road.
 
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