To Protect and to Serve II

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Rickyvol77 said:
Not at all. It’s clear the officer was in fear of his life against an armed suspect
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It's clear that the officer mistook the kid's surrendering as a threat, and you seem to agree that's what happened. That is not an acceptable excuse. This is an example of blatant incompetence.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
It's clear that the officer mistook the kid's surrendering as a threat, and you seem to agree that's what happened. That is not an acceptable excuse. This is an example of blatant incompetence.
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The kid was concealing a weapon behind his body in view of the officer, it disappears behind his back and in a few frames, maybe a second at most it reappears. He had a split second to make a decision, a decision that could mean he never did to see how family again with a subject who has refused to comply to that point. You are looking at a freeze frame and have the advantage of processing it in a safe place with no threat to you. This wasn't a bad shooting, tragic yes, but the officer did nothing criminal here.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
The officer didn't see him disarm himself he had a one second window between when the kid dropped the gun and raised his hand...

I don't think its reasonable for a 13 year old wannabe gang member to carry a gun and run from police but hey, maybe I am old school
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Maybe he ought to have confirmed the kid disarmed himself before blastin'.

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Septic said:
Maybe he ought to have confirmed the kid disarmed himself before blastin'.

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So he should wait until being shot at to shoot back? That's essentially what your advocating for. He saw the hand come up, the same hand that was attempting to conceal a weapon a second at most earlier.

Tragic but not criminal. .
 
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KB5252 said:
So he should wait until being shot at to shoot back? That's essentially what your advocating for. He saw the hand come up, the same hand that was attempting to conceal a weapon a second at most earlier.

Tragic but not criminal. .
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Nah, I'm just saying that confirmation of a weapon should be high on the list of boxes to check when a cop starts blastin.
 
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KB5252 said:
The weapon had been confirmed
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Dude, I don't necessarily disagree with you on this particular circumstance, but if the cop had taken a moment longer the kid would still be alive. If I discharge my weapon, I'm responsible for the lead floating downrange. I'd better be damn sure what I think, is. If not, I go to prison - the problem is that there is no accountability for police who f$@k up, they simply move and get hired by a different department. That's why the BLM folks are pissed...

Whether you agree or not, the unrest and riots are turning the tide on accountability.
 
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Septic said:
Dude, I don't necessarily disagree with you on this particular circumstance, but if the cop had taken a moment longer the kid would still be alive. If I discharge my weapon, I'm responsible for the lead floating downrange. I'd better be damn sure what I think, is. If not, I go to prison - the problem is that there is no accountability for police who f$@k up, they simply move and get hired by a different department. That's why the BLM folks are pissed...

Whether you agree or not, the unrest and riots are turning the tide on accountability.
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Accountability for the officer who did the right and legal thing vs a 13 yr old Latin King disciple who at 0230 hours been involved in a shooting and then ran from the police?
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
So why did the cop shoot him when the kid dropped it and put his hands up?
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the officer in a split second shot the kid who pulled the gun out of his pocket and made a quick motion towards him, the reaction time of that decision was less than a 1/10 of a second. the officer did not know the kid dropped the gun. It's a perfectly legal and justified shooting.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
again, maybe educate your self on case law on the subject, any reasonable person can conclude that the officer had justification to fear for his life in that situation.
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I think reasonable people would confirm the objective presence of a gun before blastin' somebody for having a gun.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
the officer in a split second shot the kid who pulled the gun out of his pocket and made a quick motion towards him, the reaction time of that decision was less than a 1/10 of a second. the officer did not know the kid dropped the gun. It's a perfectly legal and justified shooting.
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Maybe. I'd bet a grand jury will decide.
 
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Septic said:
Maybe he ought to have confirmed the kid disarmed himself before blastin'.

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Meh, I'm not sure you can blame the cop too much on this situation. You're talking about split seconds to make a decision between shooting and not shooting. I'm giving the cop the benefit of doubt that he actually saw that the kid had a gun and may have seen a glimpse of it in the last few moments as the kid threw it away and then had assumed the kid still had it as his hands went up.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Accountability for the officer who did the right and legal thing vs a 13 yr old Latin King disciple who at 0230 hours been involved in a shooting and then ran from the police?
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I really wish you would get away from using the term "legal". Just because it is legal, that doesn't mean it is necessarily right.

Rickyvol77 said:
Accountability for the officer who did the right and legal thing vs a 13 yr old Latin King disciple who at 0230 hours been involved in a shooting and then ran from the police?
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I would much rather see cops getting involved in these situations than them sitting behind billboards and bushes looking for speeders, tinted windows and busted taillights.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
the officer in a split second shot the kid who pulled the gun out of his pocket and made a quick motion towards him, the reaction time of that decision was less than a 1/10 of a second. the officer did not know the kid dropped the gun. It's a perfectly legal and justified shooting.
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Contradicting yourself here. You're saying that you acknowledge the cop didn't realize the gun was dropped, and that is the reason he chose to fire his weapon? If so, you're implying that the officer would not have shot if he did realize the gun was dropped (because that would be unjustified use of deadly force). That, my friend, is incompetence and a wrongful death.
 
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Septic said:
I think reasonable people would confirm the objective presence of a gun before blastin' somebody for having a gun.
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less than 2 seconds on the body cam before the shooting as his arm goes behind him, but yea go ahead and say what you think is wrong about it :rolleyes:
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Contradicting yourself here. You're saying that you acknowledge the cop didn't realize the gun was dropped, and that is the reason he chose to fire his weapon? If so, you're implying that the officer would not have shot if he did realize the gun was dropped (because that would be unjustified use of deadly force). That, my friend, is incompetence and a wrongful death.
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God you are ignorant and thick, an officer only has to prove he had fear for his safety from being shot and any reasonable person would say the same thing with the totality of the circumstances

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Chris4Vols22 said:
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yea so what? that was a still shot after the shot were fired, hate to prove you wrong again, but this shooting was 100% justified, you keep making the same mistakes arguing incorrectly on case law and police procedures. I've explained these simple concepts to you before and you still refuse to study it more so you educate yourself and understand it better
 
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