To really start a Holly discussion

[wtorange]

We all know why she got the job. Name a lifelong assistant that took over an elite program at the college or pro level as their first HC job that was still a HC there 4 years later. Short list. If a coach does not have the initiative to take a HC gig somewhere else to do their own thing in that long of period, they are not HC material. Especially at UT. She tried and could not get it done. Most of the LV fan base and Pat got their wish even though it was destined for failure. Time to move on before the program tubes completely like it did with Dools. They still have a good roster that can be salvaged and turned around reasonably quickly.

Tom Osbourne at Nebraska and Joe Paterno at Penn State were long time assistants.

 

[Volnut]

Ted Owens to Larry Brown to Roy Williams to Bill Self....all in Succession at Kansas.......it's not impossible.

This! The blue bloods of men's BB can maintain succession, why can't the first blue blood women's program maintain succession?

 

[Sandvol]

Tennessee had begun a downward slide before CPS retired. She was still dominating the SEC but wasn't competitive against the top 4 or 5 teams nationally. The game is more physical and the successful coaches have a merciless and ruthless attitude.

Let's see she won NC's in 1987, 1989, 1991,1996, 1997, 1998, 2007, 2008. So was the downward slide after 1991, 1998, or 2008?

 

[Amb3096]

Let's see she won NC's in 1987, 1989, 1991,1996, 1997, 1998, 2007, 2008. So was the downward slide after 1991, 1998, or 2008?

2009-2012

But nothing compared to what we're seeing with Holly. She couldn't beat the Top 5 teams, had some unexpected losses to Top 10 teams, but held her ground against the rest. She wouldn't have struggled with a roster like this as much as Holly has.

 

[lonelawyer]

Let's see she won NC's in 1987, 1989, 1991,1996, 1997, 1998, 2007, 2008. So was the downward slide after 1991, 1998, or 2008?

2009 first round exit. Since then no farther than the elite 8. We are supposed to be on a par with UConn. Most of our games with the Baylors and Notre Dames of the world have made us look like little girls playing men.

 

[Sandvol]

2009 first round exit. Since then no farther than the elite 8. We are supposed to be on a par with UConn. Most of our games with the Baylors and Notre Dames of the world have made us look like little girls playing men.

So, the period from 2009 to 2012 was different than the periods from 1991 to 1996 or 1998 to 2007?

 

[lonelawyer]

So, the period from 2009 to 2012 was different than the periods from 1991 to 1996 or 1998 to 2007?

If we were getting to Final Fours there would not be this discussion. You act as if we did not go to a final four between 1998 and 2007. Of course in my infrequent trips to the Lady Vols forum I find that it tends to be populated with ostriches .

 

[Sandvol]

If we were getting to Final Fours there would not be this discussion. You act as if we did not go to a final four between 1998 and 2007. Of course in my infrequent trips to the Lady Vols forum I find that it tends to be populated with ostriches .

You're comparing a 3 year period to a 9 year period. We also didn't always go to final fours during the former periods either. You might want to keep your trips infrequent.

 

[lonelawyer]

Between 1995 and 2008 the Lady Vols only missed the Final Four 3 times. Since the 07-08 season they haven't beaten a single top 5 team on the road. No final fours.

But hey things are fine.

 

[volpreacher]

The notion that CHW would resign is bizarre. Her mindset is no different now then it was after her first game (loss to Chattanooga).. that eventually the players are going to see the light and live up to their potential.

Holly, is that you?

 

[volpreacher]

It's just sad. For one brief period Tennessee basketball fans had their spotlight. Bruce Pearl was winning and anything was possible. Pat Summitt was doing her thing.
Now not only have the men sunk back down to below average, the women's team have joined them. I guess we are a Football school only now.

I agree the LV have sunk and that the men have sunk in basketball. But let's face it, we have a really good men's coach, but he inherited, nothing. Holly inherited a talented team. The men will rise again, the LV will not rise until we get a new coach. I know no one wants to hear it, but I would give Tyler Summitt a try. It might work and might not, but who else in their right mind would want to follow Pat Summitt?

 

[Volsaaura]

Vol fan have great understanding of what is going on. For anyone to try and defend this awful and quite frankly pitiful staff can lack in game adjustments, players doing whatever they want, if you cannot get your team to respond to your coaching, simply means that you have lost control. Change has to hapoen for the team to respond and play to thier abilities again. Is ther a way to find out how the players truly feel about this coaching staff? Does anyone have a way to vet the players, I would like to know what thier feelings are about the staff.

 

[teacherdean]

The notion that CHW would resign is bizarre. Her mindset is no different now then it was after her first game (loss to Chattanooga).. that eventually the players are going to see the light and live up to their potential.

I seriously do not believe Holly realizes she is inept and need to make a change. In the history of sports there have been many bad coaches who had no idea they were awful because of being in denial. Financially why should Holly resign, she is making nearly $700,000 a year. If she is fired, the school would have to buy out her contract. I believe she is contracted through 2019. That would cost the university approximately 2.1 million dollars. It might be a lose lose for the Lady Vols but it is a win win for Holly. If Holly thinks she is even close to being a good coach she has a terminal case of denial for which there is no know cure except being fired.

 

[OrangeDew]

2009 first round exit. Since then no farther than the elite 8. We are supposed to be on a par with UConn. Most of our games with the Baylors and Notre Dames of the world have made us look like little girls playing men.

Some say we were playing at least one Baylor man a couple of years back.

 

[Volsaaura]

The lost in ticket sales fans in the stand will be more than that if holly is not fired. When was the last time we had 12000 fans in the stands. South Carolina is the number one in attendance. Really that alone should get her fired. She cannot run this program just too much for her.

 

[YankeeVol]

UCONN won't die out. They'll hire someone who has HC experience Im sure.

 

[illinoisvolfan1]

Offer Geno whatever it takes. Maybe he would come resurrect the once proud program that Pat built from nothing. Maybe he'd take it as a challenge before he hangs it up. We don't have a birthright to be a top program. It has to be earned every year and we've been down and out a while now.

 

[governmentmule]

None of Pat's assistants have won anywhere else enough to be on the radar. Even DeMoss flopped already at two major programs (and was the original coach at Florida

Not only did DeMoss not do well at Florida, she also got in trouble at Ky. for a relationship with someone.

Hart needs to take his short list and made contact with those on his list and gauge their interest in accepting the job. Then when you get one in place, fire Holly.
Dawn Staley is young, energetic and has built USC up. Caroline Peck won a championship at Purdue and she is also a former U.T. assistant. May not want to leave the booth for the job though.
The longer we wait to replace her, means the longer it will take for the program to rebound.

I wouldn't want anybody on Harts list,they tell him no unless there the 5th or 6th one,he backed into to hiring Jones and it was a stroke of luck that Barnes and Texas had parted ways at the right time and wanted another job,after all he was the one that hired Tyndall with him in trouble with the NCAA all ready

and why in the world would Staley leave USC ? I think she is doing OK there right now and everybody seems to think that they can just fire CHW and get an established coach to drop there good team and come here in a heart beat,I don't see that,unless you catch somebody in the mood to leave

I personally don't think it is all on CHW this season,the players need to get there heads out of there asses and play some Lady Vols Basketball,when they do it for 4 full Quarters they look pretty damn good

getting them to play 4 solid Quarters does seem to be a problem,which the players all know is needed

I don't see any reason to fire CHW,2 SEC Championships,2 Elite 8s and around an 80% winning record isn't to shabby at all in her short time as the Head Coach of the mighty Lady Vols of Tennessee :hi:

 

[Planner046]

Jesus people you can make all the excuses you want but she is not capable of getting it done. She has 7 not 1 not 2 not3 not 4 5 or 6 but 7 McDonald high school all Americans on her team and she can't win!! It was the wrong hire so move on before the whole program is ruined !!

 

[I81Exit146]

Some say we were playing at least one Baylor man a couple of years back.

Took the words out of my mouth... What was Glory thinking?

 

[therealitytheory]

I know no one wants to hear it, but I would give Tyler Summitt a try. It might work and might not, but who else in their right mind would want to follow Pat Summitt?

So you're all for hiring another inexperienced head coach to replace the current HC who came with no experience.

Riiiiiight.

 

[livefaith]

So you're all for hiring another inexperienced head coach to replace the current HC who came with no experience.

Riiiiiight.

Excellent post.

You would think 3 years of "Dooley" would have been ample evidence that a legends name alone is worthless. But no. Some act like we're UT Martin or somebody. Having to throw excrement at the wall to see what sticks.

 

[mcannon1]

It's true Pat wanted Holly to succeed her. However, Pat was always willing to admit her mistakes and make changes when she realized she was mistaken. She always wanted what was best for the players and the University of Tennessee women's basketball team. If she could have known the team would be playing so poorly after four years of Holly as head coach she'd be unhappy. She would also admit Holly wasn't the right person for the job after all. She'd still love Holly, but she'd want a better head coach for the young women.

 

[NoBackBoard]

I did not agree with the Holly hire from the start, and I applaud the poster for encouraging a productive discussion. Holly loves the Vols, but she hasn't found a way to put the right players on the court in a position to be successful. Our team lacks discipline and are not deliberate on the offensive end (hesitant passing, shooting and cutting). We need an offensive-minded head coach with a record of success. I like Kellie Harper's fire, but she needs more time to develop. Here are my leading candidates in no particular order:

-Sue Semrau (Florida State). Her record the past three seasons are 32-5, 21-12, 23-10. Her teams have strong pg play and she has southern recruiting ties. She even landed sophomore standout Shakayla Thomas over the Lady Vols.

-Courtney Banghart (Princeton). Her record the past three seasons are 31-1, 21-9, 22-7. Her teams play smart and know how to score.

-Katie Abrahamson-Henderson (Albany). She played two years at Georgia in the 1980s and lead Missouri State to the WNIT title in 2005. Her teams overachieve, play smart and tough. Her record the past three seasons are 24-9, 28-5, 27-4.

-Karl Smesko (Florida Gulf Coast). His team made it to the NCAA Second Round last year with a high-powered offense. His teams pass well and he is a 4-time conference Coach of the Year. His record the past three seasons are 31-3, 26-8, 27-7.

- Aaron Johnston (South Dakota State). His team's have won their conference tourney 6 out of last 7 years. He also won the Division 2 Title with the Jackrabbits in 2003.

 

[DoubleA]

I did not agree with the Holly hire from the start, and I applaud the poster for encouraging a productive discussion. Holly loves the Vols, but she hasn't found a way to put the right players on the court in a position to be successful. Our team lacks discipline and are not deliberate on the offensive end (hesitant passing, shooting and cutting). We need an offensive-minded head coach with a record of success. I like Kellie Harper's fire, but she needs more time to develop. Here are my leading candidates in no particular order:

-Sue Semrau (Florida State). Her record the past three seasons are 32-5, 21-12, 23-10. Her teams have strong pg play and she has southern recruiting ties. She even landed sophomore standout Shakayla Thomas over the Lady Vols.

-Courtney Banghart (Princeton). Her record the past three seasons are 31-1, 21-9, 22-7. Her teams play smart and know how to score.

-Katie Abrahamson-Henderson (Albany). She played two years at Georgia in the 1980s and lead Missouri State to the WNIT title in 2005. Her teams overachieve, play smart and tough. Her record the past three seasons are 24-9, 28-5, 27-4.

-Karl Smesko (Florida Gulf Coast). His team made it to the NCAA Second Round last year with a high-powered offense. His teams pass well and he is a 4-time conference Coach of the Year. His record the past three seasons are 31-3, 26-8, 27-7.

- Aaron Johnston (South Dakota State). His team's have won their conference tourney 6 out of last 7 years. He also won the Division 2 Title with the Jackrabbits in 2003.

Anyone who knows how to install an offense.