To the slapnut posse

[mikey]

Originally posted by vol_freak@Oct 2, 2005 12:03 AM
Man another grammer correcter?  :crazy:

I know what you are saying Mikey but I don't think it's fair that Randy can rest on or hide behind the success of the program. I agree, Phil is happy with him and that's that. However, he has not done anything spectacular since he has been here (although i think he did a good job last year). He is a Tennessee boy that was brought in to run Fulmer's offense. We all know that Fulmer would never hire a high profile guy to come in here and steal his thunder.

If you want to talk about the success of the program as a test of Sanders, then you still can't go back 15 years. Sanders has not won an SEC Title and lost two Peach Bowls in his tenure.

Again, I am only pointing out these things since you brought it up. For the record I do not think Sanders needs to be fired on the spot because I do think, like you said, he is just running Fulmer's "Tennessee offense".

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That's my point...why does Randy, or the offense, need to be spectacular? It certainly wasn't ever spectacular under Coach Majors...It wasn't spectacular when Phillip called it, it wasn't spectacular when David called it, and it's not spectacular now. My point is this...the object of the game is to win, not to win spectacularly...and that seems to be what the slapnuts want. Why must a team be flashy in winning? This isn't ice skating...you don't get "flair" points. The name of the game in college football is consistency and recruiting and nobody does a better job of that than this bunch.

 

[mikey]

Originally posted by mikey@Oct 2, 2005 11:34 AM
That's my point...why does Randy, or the offense, need to be spectacular?  It certainly wasn't ever spectacular under Coach Majors...It wasn't spectacular when Phillip called it, it wasn't spectacular when David called it, and it's not spectacular now.  My point is this...the object of the game is to win, not to win spectacularly...and that seems to be what the slapnuts want.  Why must a team be flashy in winning?  This isn't ice skating...you don't get "flair" points.  The name of the game in college football is consistency and recruiting and nobody does  a better job of that than this bunch.

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p.s. That's exactly why Phillip has been more successful than Coach Majors ever would have been. Coach Majors was a excellent football guy but he was an ass to work for and play for so he couldn't keep a consistent staff and he couldn't recruit as well as Phillip. Maybe the whole thing didn't go down the way Sarge would have liked, but it was the right move for those reasons.

 

[mikey]

Originally posted by mikey@Oct 2, 2005 11:38 AM
p.s.  That's exactly why Phillip has been more successful than Coach Majors ever would have been.  Coach Majors was a excellent football guy but he was an ass to work for and play for so he couldn't keep a consistent staff and he couldn't recruit as well as Phillip.  Maybe the whole thing didn't go down the way Sarge would have liked, but it was the right move for those reasons.

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p.p.s ...and if Sarge doesn't believe that he can check his beloved stats that he believes are always right.

 

[Freak]

I don't care about flashy. But that boring Tennessee offense used to be able to line up, tell people we are gonna run off left tackle- try and stop us, and then do it. We averaged over 200 yards a game rushing...consistently. That was our trademark. This is not that offense anymore.

I will take a win over flair points any time but this offense has already cost us one game this year and I am concerned that without improvement there will be at least two more.

 

[Freak]

Originally posted by mikey@Oct 2, 2005 12:38 PM
p.s.  That's exactly why Phillip has been more successful than Coach Majors ever would have been.  Coach Majors was a excellent football guy but he was an ass to work for and play for so he couldn't keep a consistent staff and he couldn't recruit as well as Phillip.  Maybe the whole thing didn't go down the way Sarge would have liked, but it was the right move for those reasons.

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No question that recruiting and keeping his staff together are two of Fulmer's biggest strengths. I am not sure there is anyone in the country that does those two things better than him.

 

[bleedingorange]

hey freak u are right but to make it worse this is supposed to be our biggest OL ever and we still cant move the ball, WHATS UP WITH THAT

 

[mikey]

Originally posted by vol_freak@Oct 2, 2005 11:39 AM
I don't care about flashy. But that boring Tennessee offense used to be able to line up, tell people we are gonna run off left tackle try and stop us, and then do it. We averaged over 200 yards a game rushing...consistently. That was our trademark. This is not that offense anymore.

I will take a win over flair points any time but this offense has already cost us one game this year and I am concerned that without improvement there will be at least two more.

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They can't do that because they have had to play about 1,000 different combos on the O-line. Let this O-line get healed up and they can do that. The lineman, when healthy, that they have are special. Add to that a big ass fullback and a bruiser like Riggs and watch what happens.

 

[mikey]

With an O-line as banged up as theirs, it doesn't matter what you are running you will have trouble. Consistency on the line is enormously important and they just haven't had a chance to gel yet.

 

[Freak]

Originally posted by mikey@Oct 2, 2005 12:42 PM
They can't do that because they have had to play about 1,000 different combos on the O-line.  Let this O-line get healed up and they can do that.  The lineman, when healthy, that they have are special.  Add to that a big ass fullback and a bruiser like Riggs and watch what happens.

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I'll cut the o-line some slack I suppose. They have been banged up and moved around this year. I don't think that's the only problem but time will tell.

I would love to see Riggs come out and have a Jamal - like performance against UGA. :rock:

 

[mikey]

Originally posted by vol_freak@Oct 2, 2005 11:49 AM
I'll cut the o-line some slack I suppose. They have been banged up and moved around this year. I don't think that's the only problem but time will tell.

I would love to see Riggs come out and have a Jamal - like performance against UGA.  :rock:

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Let the line get healthy. That's the kind of thing that slapnut stat freaks with a very shallow understanding of the game don't understand.

 

[Freak]

Originally posted by mikey@Oct 2, 2005 12:50 PM
Let the line get healthy.  That's the kind of thing that slapnut stat freaks with a very shallow understanding of the game don't understand.

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Like I said, time will tell about this line. You have to admit thought that we have had some underperforming lines over the last few years. So I don't think this is an isolated incident.

 

[GenNeyland9]

Yes, we've been consistently good for the past 15 years. This, however, is not due to Randy Sanders. What teams have had better recruiting classes over the past 15 years? What teams have had better defenses?

We've won because of recruiting and usually stellar defense. By the way, Randy hasn't been OC for 15 years--he's been it since 1999 (this is his 7th year).

So this being said, the proper question and comparison is: "How many teams since 1999 have been consistently better on offense than we have?"

I don't think I even need to go there, because there are too many to name. Louisville, Miami, Texas, Florida State, Florida, LSU, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Purdue, Georgia, NC State, USC, Arizona State, Oregon, Utah, Michigan State, Iowa--and that's just off the top of my head.

You can group everyone together that hates Sanders--that's fine. It's a large, large group. It's just sad that everyone else is OK with us underachieving every year on offense.

I think that at a top notch program like UT, (one that you claim is one of the best for 15 years straight), there should be a danger that your assistant coaches will be called up by NFL teams to coach. Chavis has been mentioned for various NFL DC jobs, but no one, and I mean no one would ever think about hiring Randy Sanders away--not even other college teams. That should be an indication that we need a change.

 

[mikey]

As Bear Bryant once said..."It's not about X's and O's..the bottom line is this...if my X's are bigger, stronger and faster than your O's and my X's out execute your O's...I'll win."
The name of the game IS recruiting...and defense and special teams win championships. It's hard for me to say being that I am an OC, but offense is the least important phase of the game. You don't really think offense won the NC in '98 do you?
Name me one of those teams that you mention who has been as consistent as UT over the last 15 years.