Tobias's inability to play D and make lay ups

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Tobias is a freshman, he needs a year in a weight program. Brian Williams on the other hand has no excuse for being that horrible around the glass. He also let Georgia's bigs own him down inside. Just getting nothing offensively out of that position.

Tatum, McBee and Pearl play a lot of minutes. You basically have to play 3 on 5 or 4 on 5 depending on how many of these scoring beasts are in the game at a particular time.

It's Harris (sometimes) and Hopson, there is no one else they can rely on to score points
 
#27
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Cartervol said:
Tobias is a freshman, he needs a year in a weight program. Brian Williams on the other hand has no excuse for being that horrible around the glass. He also let Georgia's bigs own him down inside. Just getting nothing offensively out of that position.

Tatum, McBee and Pearl play a lot of minutes. You basically have to play 3 on 5 or 4 on 5 depending on how many of these scoring beasts are in the game at a particular time.

It's Harris (sometimes) and Hopson, there is no one else they can rely on to score points
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I know people are down on Tatum, and he just had an awful scoring game, but...come on, man. Tatum is our third leading scorer. McBee is about eighth, and Pearl is about tenth (out of ten). I don't think that's an adequate grouping of players to consider an offensive liability.

I agree with your final point though. Hopson and Harris are basically our only consistent offensive players.
 
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#28
Anyone find his athleticism a little puzzling sometimes? He can blow right by whoever is guarding him and get to the rim, then jump about 3 inches off the ground and get packed hard.

You guys think he can keep his speed if he adds the weight to guard 4s effectively?

Also, outside shot form works...until he gets pressured in the slightest.
 
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Lankykong said:
I know people are down on Tatum, and he just had an awful scoring game, but...come on, man. Tatum is our third leading scorer. McBee is about eighth, and Pearl is about tenth (out of ten). I don't think that's an adequate grouping of players to consider an offensive liability.

I agree with your final point though. Hopson and Harris are basically our only consistent offensive players.
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He hasn't played very well in a while or maybe he just isn't that good to begin with. I think it's probably the latter.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
The screens and lazy cuts are unreal. Almost every defender playing us lazily floats over the top of those screens and we never pop back or oop over the top and force real defense. If we taught actual screen use, we'd have killed UGA.
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this is exactly why the flex is retarded... especially for D1 programs. in order for screens to be effective you have to READ the way your opponent is guarding the screen and make your cut accordingly... this also applies to the screener.

in the flex... as soon as you divert from the set pattern... you have to start all over again and set everyone in their "positions" on the floor. all the defense has to do is learn the pattern.

this is why 90% of our scoring comes from 1 on 1 moves or jacking up 3's. this is also why we jack up to many stupid 3's.

the flex is a gimmick offense for bad high school coaches or NAIA schools with no athletic talent, not for D1 basketball programs.
 
#32
#32
Im positive that a month ago no one would be trashing on Tobias. The Kid is our second leading scorer as a freshman and to be hes playing mighty fine, so just because we lose games doesnt mean you throw this kid under the bus.
 
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#33
Who is this "Cam Tatum" I saw referenced above? I must have missed something today.
 
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cotton said:
I did actually see Scotty hit an open Harris on a flex cut today (who immediately kicked it back outside.) In six years of pretending to run that offense, I think that might have been the first time I have seen anyone actually pass the ball to an open man coming off of the screen on the opposite block.
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Speaking of cuts and passes, Pearl might be the worst passer I have ever seen in division I basketball..I mean, bless him for trying, but cmon...he freakin kills any offensive momentum we may have as soon as we get into a halfcourt o with him.
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#35
#35
This thread is killing me, I expect to see you all interviewing for cbp's replacement. Talk about meltdown mode.
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ellunitiko said:
This thread is killing me, I expect to see you all interviewing for cbp's replacement. Talk about meltdown mode.
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Oh, this bit of genius. If you disnt decide to pursue coaching as a profession so you could recruit self absorbed kids, you can't possibly know as much as the guy who did decide to do it. Good one.
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BasketVolKid said:
this is exactly why the flex is retarded... especially for D1 programs. in order for screens to be effective you have to READ the way your opponent is guarding the screen and make your cut accordingly... this also applies to the screener.

in the flex... as soon as you divert from the set pattern... you have to start all over again and set everyone in their "positions" on the floor. all the defense has to do is learn the pattern.

this is why 90% of our scoring comes from 1 on 1 moves or jacking up 3's. this is also why we jack up to many stupid 3's.

the flex is a gimmick offense for bad high school coaches or NAIA schools with no athletic talent, not for D1 basketball programs.
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Lol. Flex offenses are probably the most common. Duke runs one. UNC runs one. Mich St. runs one. It's all about execution. BigPapaVol has a strong point. Many guys don't even wait for the cuts off the screens to be made before they just swing the ball. No one even really looks for the cutter.

But when it comes to flex offenses in D-1 programs, the statement is bogus. Many teams utilize it as a motion offense to start off a possession as they only run it once a possession.
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Vols817 said:
Im positive that a month ago no one would be trashing on Tobias. The Kid is our second leading scorer as a freshman and to be hes playing mighty fine, so just because we lose games doesnt mean you throw this kid under the bus.
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AMEN...any other team in the nation that knows how to run a sucessful halfcourt offensive play, and tobias would look even moreso like the amazing player that he really is....as one guy, a freshman, on a team full of inept players he can only do so much....
 
#39
#39
I know Tobias is a freshman...but he seems to have definitely hit a wall productively...I agree..his defense is more shadowing than anything right now and his vertical isn't very athletic so he has to position himself to take advantage of his size down low....having trouble handling the ball consistently as well....Having said ALL that...I still think he's a go to guy....at this point....he for sure needs another year and that has been his plan all along...of course the CBP thing may have some effect on that as we...But I like his demeanor and "on court presence"...This year has been a rough ride....still fun but rough...
 
#40
#40
I want Aaron Craft back. He's better than any of our PGs combined. Tatum and Goins are two of our biggest concerns. They are terrible with their shot selections. Tatum just jacks up shots at times. Our players don't really let the game come to them. They seem to be forcing everything. I do like how Tobias and Scotty are forcing the ball to the rim though.
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LynxVol said:
Lol. Flex offenses are probably the most common. Duke runs one. UNC runs one. Mich St. runs one. It's all about execution. BigPapaVol has a strong point. Many guys don't even wait for the cuts off the screens to be made before they just swing the ball. No one even really looks for the cutter.

But when it comes to flex offenses in D-1 programs, the statement is bogus. Many teams utilize it as a motion offense to start off a possession as they only run it once a possession.
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If you are saying teams use a flex action or flex cut as part of their offense, I agree. The flex is a pattern where as a motion offense has no specific set pattern.
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#42
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ehh. He might of started slow but he finished pretty strong. I agree that his defense really has to step up though.
 
#43
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LynxVol said:
Lol. Flex offenses are probably the most common. Duke runs one. UNC runs one. Mich St. runs one. It's all about execution. BigPapaVol has a strong point. Many guys don't even wait for the cuts off the screens to be made before they just swing the ball. No one even really looks for the cutter.

But when it comes to flex offenses in D-1 programs, the statement is bogus. Many teams utilize it as a motion offense to start off a possession as they only run it once a possession.
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none of these teams run a flex offense. duke and unc both run motion offense. a back door screen or a guard coming off a post screen on the block does does not constitute a flex offense. the flex is a repeating pattern that cycles over and over. the flex is a cheap/lazy way to create movement. which is why our team looks like they are just going through the motions without any conviction.

the difference between the flex and pure motion offense is that the latter is free form and has no set pattern. the flex tells you to go here or there no matter how the D is playing you. you follow the pattern. in a motion offense, you learn to read the D and set your screens and cuts accordingly. motion offense is much more in depth. the flex is a quick way to get some movement. the flex is based on a couple motion offense principles and it's good for jr high and HS cuz it doesn't take long to learn. but it's ridiculously easy to scout and prepare for... which is why you don't see hardly any D1 schools running it.

dean smith, bob knight, roy and coach k all run/ran pure motion offense. lol at unc and duke running the flex.
 
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Goins is clueless as a point guard. I almost fell off the couch yesterday when Rafftery talked about how "cerebral" Goins was! He may be cerebral at some things it is just not basketball. Harris and Hopson is all we have right now.
 
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fergie said:
Goins is clueless as a point guard. I almost fell off the couch yesterday when Rafftery talked about how "cerebral" Goins was! He may be cerebral at some things it is just not basketball. Harris and Hopson is all we have right now.
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He's a good defender but that's about it. I'm surprised Pearl has had such problems getting PGs in. I know Craft and Selby were part of the fix and I think they would have fixed a lot of things. But Pearl still has to identify talent better. Calipari may be a cheater but he identifies talent a lot better than Pearl.
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#46
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VolsFan4Ever-11 said:
Are really starting to hurt this team in more ways than one. He's got to step it up and play better. I don't want to hear the he's a freshmen excuse either.
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Instead of getting on Tobias you should be talking about how the other players only managed to chip in 2 points each.

Tobias is doing a fantastic job considering he's a Freshman so give him a break.

Scotty & Tobias was the offense in the Georgia game. Everyone seemed to be too scared to throw up a shot.
 
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BasketVolKid said:
this is exactly why the flex is retarded... especially for D1 programs. in order for screens to be effective you have to READ the way your opponent is guarding the screen and make your cut accordingly... this also applies to the screener.

in the flex... as soon as you divert from the set pattern... you have to start all over again and set everyone in their "positions" on the floor. all the defense has to do is learn the pattern.

this is why 90% of our scoring comes from 1 on 1 moves or jacking up 3's. this is also why we jack up to many stupid 3's.

the flex is a gimmick offense for bad high school coaches or NAIA schools with no athletic talent, not for D1 basketball programs.
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Do the Jazz fit into your NAIA category?
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Truth said:
Do the Jazz fit into your NAIA category?
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If you think the Jazz run anything resembling what we run, you're sadly mistaken. The modified flex that we run is a middle school level flex. Sloan's variation is excellent.
 
#49
#49
No point in making arguments about our flex as we don't actually run the flex or any other offense in the half court. That is the main reason no one can score. Only players with one-on-one ability to create their own shot can score in our offense.
 
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LawVol13 said:
If you think the Jazz run anything resembling what we run, you're sadly mistaken. The modified flex that we run is a middle school level flex. Sloan's variation is excellent.
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I know this, as you've probably seen from my previous *****ing and moaning. I was just making the point that his argument doesn't fit.
 
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