Today in US history

[NashVol11]

I'm referring to how weezer and myself are posting moments in history based upon the day. Feel free to add to it with dates and summaries of all the injustices that have occurred since 1776.

Thanks for the invitation that is not at all responsive to the point I was making or the post you quoted. The American narrative of history will still be sorely lacking whether I participate in a game on the VN political forum or not

 

[volfanhill]

Today, in US history, our debt to GDP ratio is 132.58 %

In the year 2000 it was 57.12%

 

[NashVol11]

Actually, yes really. Most are aware of the atrocities in U.S. history. It's one thing to discuss them, and quite another to harp on them. And I don't feel guilty for crimes in which I was not complicit. History is just that, history. It happened in the past. Nothing we do today changes what happened yesterday. If you want to change today, and tomorrow, then I suggest productive conversation.

No, they’re not. Most people generally know slavery happened and have a Pollyannish view of MLK and that’s it. Dismissing history as irrelevant and our historical inaccuracies as immaterial, and then being all condescending about “productive conversation” RIGHT after that, is hilariously ironic

 

[Weezer]

Thanks for the invitation that is not at all responsive to the point I was making or the post you quoted. The American narrative of history will still be sorely lacking whether I participate in a game on the VN political forum or not

You might as well say world history will still be sorely lacking. History is multi-faceted. Most people realize that.

 

[ETV]

Today, in US history, our debt to GDP ratio is 132.58 %

In the year 2000 it was 57.12%

I had no idea. I knew that it had increased considerably, but by that much over two decades?

 

[NashVol11]

Actually, yes really. Most are aware of the atrocities in U.S. history. It's one thing to discuss them, and quite another to harp on them. And I don't feel guilty for crimes in which I was not complicit. History is just that, history. It happened in the past. Nothing we do today changes what happened yesterday. If you want to change today, and tomorrow, then I suggest productive conversation.

And to add to my other post, how we describe what happened yesterday is extremely relevant to what happens today or tomorrow. If you disagree with that, why even learn history?

 

[ETV]

Thanks for the invitation that is not at all responsive to the point I was making or the post you quoted. The American narrative of history will still be sorely lacking whether I participate in a game on the VN political forum or not

If it's lacking, then participate and share history from your point of view.

 

[Weezer]

No, they’re not. Most people generally know slavery happened and have a Pollyannish view of MLK and that’s it. Dismissing history as irrelevant and our historical inaccuracies as immaterial, and then being all condescending about “productive conversation” RIGHT after that, is hilariously ironic

You're the one insulting the intelligence of other people by claiming what they don't know, so you might want to hold off on accusing others of condescension.

 

[NashVol11]

If it's lacking, then participate and share history from your point of view.

Or I won’t, and it’s lacking either way. You’re proving my point by trying to say “fix it yourself or it’s not broken”

 

[NashVol11]

You're the one insulting the intelligence of other people by claiming what they don't know, so you might want to hold off on accusing others of condescension.

Maybe the biggest reach you’ve made and that’s saying a lot. Replace “most people know” with “most classes teach” and try something else

 

[Weezer]

If it's lacking, then participate and share history from your point of view.

Nash is limited to only his point of view. He's unable to see other POVs, which is why I brought up productive conversation. He'd rather try and brow beat others in an effort to convince others he is right than try to understand every story has multiple sides.

How's that for condescending?

 

[ETV]

Or I won’t, and it’s lacking either way. You’re proving my point by trying to say “fix it yourself or it’s not broken”

I asked for contribution to the thread. If you believe it's broken, then yes...fix it. Don't expect me to do your research when I'm not viewing history from your perspective.

 

[Weezer]

Maybe the biggest reach you’ve made and that’s saying a lot. Replace “most people know” with “most classes teach” and try something else

lmao So arrogant. Not all knowledge is gathered by what you're taught. Learning does not stop in the class room. You're underestimating people.

 

[NashVol11]

Nash is limited to only his point of view. He's unable to see other POVs, which is why I brought up productive conversation. He'd rather try and brow beat others in an effort to convince others he is right than try to understand every story has multiple sides.

How's that for condescending?

That was called “passive-aggressive attention-seeking,” mixed with a little “all sides are equally wrong” naïveté, not condescension

 

[NashVol11]

I asked for contribution to the thread. If you believe it's broken, then yes...fix it. Don't expect me to do your research when I'm not viewing history from your perspective.

Did I ask you to do any research, or did I simply say our telling of history isn’t good enough as a country? Why did that offend you?

 

[Weezer]

That was called “passive-aggressive attention-seeking,” mixed with a little “all sides are equally wrong” naïveté, not condescension

Again, seeing what you want to see and not what I said.

 

[NashVol11]

lmao So arrogant. Not all knowledge is gathered by what you're taught. Learning does not stop in the class room. You're underestimating people.

Think about what you’re saying. “Everyone learns history independently, so who gives a sh*t what we tell every child in classrooms, amirite? It’s all in the past anyway”

 

[Weezer]

Think about what you’re saying. “Everyone learns history independently, so who gives a sh*t what we tell every child in classrooms, amirite? It’s all in the past anyway”

Reread what I just said and try using comprehension because what you're asserting is not at all what I said.

 

[NashVol11]

Again, seeing what you want to see and not what I said.

No, responding to someone else but directing “hows that” at me is definitely passive-aggressive attention-seeking in just about any context, and the “multiple sides” point is as I described it too

 

[NashVol11]

Reread what I just said and try using comprehension because what you're asserting is not at all what I said.

I understand what you said. I’m making the point that what we teach in history classes is incredibly lacking, and you are essentially saying it’s fine because everyone just learns all about it on their own. That doesn’t (at all) minimize or address the problem I mentioned

 

[Weezer]

No, responding to someone else but directing “hows that” at me is definitely passive-aggressive attention-seeking in just about any context, and the “multiple sides” point is as I described it too

Your interpretation is inaccurate.

 

[Weezer]

I understand what you said. I’m making the point that what we teach in history classes is incredibly lacking, and you are essentially saying it’s fine because everyone just learns all about it on their own. That doesn’t (at all) minimize or address the problem I mentioned

You asserted that the knowledge of posters on this forum is limited to what they were taught in a classroom. Now you're changing the conversation to what is taught in the classroom. Two separate conversations.

 

[ETV]

Did I ask you to do any research, or did I simply say our telling of history isn’t good enough as a country? Why did that offend you?

Maybe you should switch to decaf.

 

[NashVol11]

You asserted that the knowledge of posters on this forum is limited to what they were taught in a classroom. Now you're changing the conversation to what is taught in the classroom. Two separate conversations.

I said “American history is incomplete,” and nowhere did I mention posters on this forum. Maybe you are reading what you want to read and not what I said

 

[ETV]

I said “American history is incomplete,” and nowhere did I mention posters on this forum. Maybe you are reading what you want to read and not what I said

You arrived and informed us that our perception of history is basically inaccurate. You were asked to contribute, you refused. What am I missing?