Tony B Show: Do the Vols feel top 5?

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Stoked said:
Lol yeah there's two people on here you don't want to argue bball with and that's Cncchris and BTO because they're going to bring stats to back up their argument.
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I already learned my lesson with Cncchris. lol
 
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cardvolfan said:
Even though we’re averaging more points per game?
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Yes, even if we are averaging more points. A long scoring drought creates a multitude of problems. Like I said, it could be the difference between putting a team away and letting a team back in the game.
 
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cncchris33 said:
We are #77 nationally in offensive efficiency averaging 1.08 pts per possession.

We are #14 nationally in defensive efficiency giving up 0.89 pts per possession.

We are #72 nationally scoring at 77.8 ppg.

We are #26 nationally allowing 64.3 ppg.

The points, combined with our elite defense, are there.

We might go several minutes without scoring, but we force our opponents to do just the same. Last night, specifically, we were stuck on 16 points for 5 mins and 28 secs, but we only gave up 2 points in that stretch. We then went on a 27-9 run to close the half. We scored 43 points in the 1st half and 44 in the 2nd half.

And against Wisconsin, we went 4:32 without a FG (made 2 FTs), but we held the Badgers to 8 pts in that span for a -6 point net.

Purdue went 5:52 against us without scoring. They also had a stretch of 5:40 where they scored 3 points. Another stretch of 3:11 without a basket. 14:43 of game time and they scored 3 points total and won the game. They're also the #1 team in the country. If they aren't immune to it with the national POY, then why should you expect anyone to be immune to it?
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Which is great. I get what you're saying. Luckily we were playing a team which couldn't score on us during our 5 min hiatus. We'll play much better teams than NSU going forward. Our defense is good, but in todays bball, you'd better be able to score. UVA a couple of years ago was the exception to the rule, IMO. BTW... You're the stats guy, how many of those 27-9 "type" of offensive runs did we have in any of our 3 losses? I'd be interested to know. I haven't seen many of those at all this year. We are a very inconsistent scoring team. It's been the norm for several years. Ya'll may end up being correct and these scoring droughts won't matter. I hope you're all correct. Go Vols!~
 
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jeff1vol said:
Which is great. I get what you're saying. Luckily we were playing a team which couldn't score on us during our 5 min hiatus. We'll play much better teams than NSU going forward. Our defense is good, but in todays bball, you'd better be able to score. UVA a couple of years ago was the exception to the rule, IMO. BTW... You're the stats guy, how many of those 27-9 "type" of offensive runs did we have in any of our 3 losses? I'd be interested to know. I haven't seen many of those at all this year. We are a very inconsistent scoring team. It's been the norm for several years. Ya'll may end up being correct and these scoring droughts won't matter. I hope you're all correct. Go Vols!~
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Didn’t they generate some rando stat within the past few years, 10+ point runs, and didn’t we stack up well with the contenders by that metric? Just curious if you recall.
 
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chuckiepoo said:
Didn’t they generate some rando stat within the past few years, 10+ point runs, and didn’t we stack up well with the contenders by that metric? Just curious if you recall.
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No. I don't recall. May be true though. Again... not knowing the numbers, it just doesn't feel that we have put together those explosive runs as much this year. Early on when DK was wheeling a dealing we may have had a few. The SEC games will answer all our questions soon enough.
 
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i just don’t think we have good enough depth to keep up our scrappy play one game after another between the SEC tournament and the NCAA tournament. I wish the SEC would end their tournament a couple days earlier to give the champs/ runner-up more time to recover.
 
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adam.vol said:
i just don’t think we have good enough depth to keep up our scrappy play one game after another between the SEC tournament and the NCAA tournament. I wish the SEC would end their tournament a couple days earlier to give the champs/ runner-up more time to recover.
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Interesting, because I actually think we’re one of the deeper teams in the SEC. I’m not sure how many teams out there have 10-12 guys they trust to put on the court, even if it’s just for a few minutes to give a breather to the starters. I’d say our depth is what will help us with the grind of conference and tournament play, not be a hindrance.
 
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jeff1vol said:
Which is great. I get what you're saying. Luckily we were playing a team which couldn't score on us during our 5 min hiatus. We'll play much better teams than NSU going forward. Our defense is good, but in todays bball, you'd better be able to score. UVA a couple of years ago was the exception to the rule, IMO. BTW... You're the stats guy, how many of those 27-9 "type" of offensive runs did we have in any of our 3 losses? I'd be interested to know. I haven't seen many of those at all this year. We are a very inconsistent scoring team. It's been the norm for several years. Ya'll may end up being correct and these scoring droughts won't matter. I hope you're all correct. Go Vols!~
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Those were all close games, so we didn't have any big runs, but outside of the UNC game, we also didn't give up any 27-9 runs. Additionally, outside of the 1st half at UNC, those games were all back and forth affairs.

We don't necessarily have to manufacture highly imbalanced scoring runs of our own to stay competitive when we experience scoring droughts because our defense manufactures equal droughts for our opponents, a fact you seem reticent to acknowledge. We saw that play out in each of those losses, too.

I've shown the droughts Purdue had. UNC went nearly 6 minutes and only made one shot and a FT during the 2nd half which allowed us to crawl back into that game, where we outscored them 17-4. The end of the Kansas game was ugly offense for us where we only made 5 FGs over the final 11 minutes, but KU only made 7 FGs, themselves, outscoring us by only 5 points in that span.
 
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After multiple years in which Tennessee looked like a top 5 team throughout the season, only to then lose in March to a team that didn't look like a top 5 team throughout the season, I have decided that I don't intend to worry one damn bit about how Tennessee looks right now.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
Interesting, because I actually think we’re one of the deeper teams in the SEC. I’m not sure how many teams out there have 10-12 guys they trust to put on the court, even if it’s just for a few minutes to give a breather to the starters. I’d say our depth is what will help us with the grind of conference and tournament play, not be a hindrance.
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My issue is that I don’t trust 10-12 of the guys.

James, Vescovi, Ziegler, Awaka, Aidoo, Mashack, Kinect. - Those are the only ones I trust with the ball in an must win game and they’re the only ones who can consistently score with someone on them.

Gaines has had terrible shot selection thus far and the wide open shots haven’t been falling. I don’t know who else you could call a scoring threat. (Edit: Don’t get me wrong. I think Gaines has potential. He looks like he could develop).

Barnes is trying to develop some of the younger guys, but I don’t think we’ll see the kind of growth over the next 3 months that would allow them to ever create a mismatch or switch on screens to contain a good scorer. Hopefully someone will step up.
 
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adam.vol said:
My issue is that I don’t trust 10-12 of the guys.

James, Vescovi, Ziegler, Awaka, Aidoo, Mashack, Kinect. - Those are the only ones I trust with the ball in an must win game and they’re the only ones who can consistently score with someone on them.

Gaines has had terrible shot selection thus far and the wide open shots haven’t been falling. I don’t know who else you could call a scoring threat. (Edit: Don’t get me wrong. I think Gaines has potential. He looks like he could develop).

Barnes is trying to develop some of the younger guys, but I don’t think we’ll see the kind of growth over the next 3 months that would allow them to ever create a mismatch or switch on screens to contain a good scorer. Hopefully someone will step up.
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With Gaines, he’s a junior. I’d say he’s about as developed as he’s going to get. I think that “adjust” (or adapt) fits better than “develop”. Gainey and Knecht are experiencing the reality of facing much higher levels of opposing players and coaches.
 
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adam.vol said:
My issue is that I don’t trust 10-12 of the guys.

James, Vescovi, Ziegler, Awaka, Aidoo, Mashack, Kinect. - Those are the only ones I trust with the ball in an must win game and they’re the only ones who can consistently score with someone on them.

Gaines has had terrible shot selection thus far and the wide open shots haven’t been falling. I don’t know who else you could call a scoring threat. (Edit: Don’t get me wrong. I think Gaines has potential. He looks like he could develop).

Barnes is trying to develop some of the younger guys, but I don’t think we’ll see the kind of growth over the next 3 months that would allow them to ever create a mismatch or switch on screens to contain a good scorer. Hopefully someone will step up.
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I mean….how many other teams have 10-12 guys they trust to close out and win a “must win game”. Not many. That’s not the point I was really trying to make though.

To your point, most teams are going to run 7-8 man rotations in tournament play, and I can’t think of many teams out there that have a better 7-8 than our 7-8.

You yourself just listed that we have 7 guys you trust. So, which is it? You don’t trust out depth in tournament play, or you do? Because if it’s our 8-10 guys you worry about I would struggle to think of many teams who trust the 8-10 bench pieces in crunch time. And honestly if you’re having to rely on 8-10 for anything more than a handful of breather minutes in tournament play, you’re in trouble anyway.
 
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adam.vol said:
My issue is that I don’t trust 10-12 of the guys.

James, Vescovi, Ziegler, Awaka, Aidoo, Mashack, Kinect. - Those are the only ones I trust with the ball in an must win game and they’re the only ones who can consistently score with someone on them.

Gaines has had terrible shot selection thus far and the wide open shots haven’t been falling. I don’t know who else you could call a scoring threat. (Edit: Don’t get me wrong. I think Gaines has potential. He looks like he could develop).

Barnes is trying to develop some of the younger guys, but I don’t think we’ll see the kind of growth over the next 3 months that would allow them to ever create a mismatch or switch on screens to contain a good scorer. Hopefully someone will step up.
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You don't trust 10-12 guys on this team? Maybe not if your expectations are that we should have one of the greatest teams ever. I agree. That would be fantastic
 
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jeff1vol said:
No. Not going to waste my time. However... if we go into one of our double digit minute scoring droughts against a good team in the tourney, it aint gonna be good. But if you think this team is good enough to beat a good team while not scoring... more power to you.
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So we need to play well to win against the best teams, thanks for the insight.
 
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adam.vol said:
My issue is that I don’t trust 10-12 of the guys.

James, Vescovi, Ziegler, Awaka, Aidoo, Mashack, Kinect. - Those are the only ones I trust with the ball in an must win game and they’re the only ones who can consistently score with someone on them.

Gaines has had terrible shot selection thus far and the wide open shots haven’t been falling. I don’t know who else you could call a scoring threat. (Edit: Don’t get me wrong. I think Gaines has potential. He looks like he could develop).

Barnes is trying to develop some of the younger guys, but I don’t think we’ll see the kind of growth over the next 3 months that would allow them to ever create a mismatch or switch on screens to contain a good scorer. Hopefully someone will step up.
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Gaines? I thought he transferred🤭
 
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jeff1vol said:
No. Not going to waste my time. However... if we go into one of our double digit minute scoring droughts against a good team in the tourney, it aint gonna be good. But if you think this team is good enough to beat a good team while not scoring... more power to you.
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How many teams can beat a good team while not scoring though?
 
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