Tony Basilio/Academic At-Risk Kids

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DeerPark12 said:
In the last 10 years, only 4 athletes that qualified under NCAA rules were denied admission, and just 2 of those were football players.
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Interesting. I hear this topic debated on the radio and my sense is very few of the people speaking know what the admissions policies actual are.
 
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rach83 said:
Doug Matthews has repeatedly discussed this on his show, Big Orange Sunday. He is pretty well connected up there so there has to be some validity to this being an issue. Down with the booger eater!!!
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Doug Mathews' informed opinions regarding Board of Trust, Thornton Center, athletic dept. reporting procedures, & reasons for the UT demise since 1999 are most enlightening. His radio shows in Nashville are both entertaining & lucid IMO.
 
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99gator said:
where's the list of kids that can't get into tennessee, but can get in everywhere else.
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Basilio isn't blowing smoke, "the likes of Shawn Ellis, Raynoch Thompson, Travis Henry and many others wouldn't have gotten in to UT back in the day under the current restrictions. That's a fact." and I agree. I was able to get in to UT but my kids who have much much better GPA's and SAT scores than I did can't even get close to geting accepted. We are going to have a generation Alumni's kids who will be in ETSU, MTSU or UTC. Cheek and Martin has gotta go..
 
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This town is ****ing hopeless if this is even a discussion. It makes this entire "school" look bad and it isn't even true. If you look at the minimum requirements to get into UT, and consider that if the football program wants a guy then that is all that needs to really be met (for the most part), you will realize that you all all buying into a line of pure bull****. This is not Harvard. Hell, it isn't even Georgia.
 
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Vol_Maul said:
This town is ****ing hopeless if this is even a discussion. It makes this entire "school" look bad and it isn't even true. If you look at the minimum requirements to get into UT, and consider that if the football program wants a guy then that is all that needs to really be met (for the most part), you will realize that you all all buying into a line of pure bull****. This is not Harvard. Hell, it isn't even Georgia.
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so you do a lot of recruiting and student acceptance? Good deal, Nice to have your experience on the topic.
 
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Honestly, the only guy I can think of that didn't get in that was questionable and we pursued / signed was Eddrick Loften, who we got after Oklahoma backed off on for academic concerns. Which means he probably couldn't have gotten into any SEC school under any admissions standard that post-dates Bear Bryant.

This is severely overstated as being a problem.
 
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Vol_Maul said:
And you do, you sarcastic ****?
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Since I coached middle school & high school sports for 12 years and have had two kids and one up and coming go through the process, yeah you could say i am familiar with the process. Sir Richard Head.
 
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Manvol said:
Since I coached middle school & high school sports for 12 years and have had two kids and one up and coming go through the process, yeah you could say i am familiar with the process. Sir Richard Head.
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And you do nothing from the university side. Great work. By the way, what does Pat Summitt's dad have to do with this?
 
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Vol_Maul said:
And you do nothing from the university side. Great work. By the way, what does Pat Summitt's dad have to do with this?
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Did you have to rewrite your thoughts? I'll let you think what you will but comprehending what you read goes a long way. What part of coaching for 12 years led you to believe that none of my players didn't go through the process? Listen more mumble less and you may learn something. Whether you believe it or not I could care less but there is a different standard now Pat.
 
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Manvol said:
Did you have to rewrite your thoughts? I'll let you think what you will but comprehending what you read goes a long way. What part of coaching for 12 years led you to believe that none of my players didn't go through the process? Listen more mumble less and you may learn something. Whether you believe it or not I could care less but there is a different standard now Pat.
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I took out something I considered distasteful, yes. Basically, your kids didn't get in and your players weren't good enough to play at UT. That makes you very predisposed to seeing things that aren't there in this case. Plenty of athletes get accepted to UT that would probably, but not necessarily, be turned away as general students. It isn't that hard and plenty of dumb**** athletes still get in. Deerpark is a much more credible source on this issue than you with your biased outside experiences. "The process" seems unfair when you are shut out of it.
 
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You know, any one of us could one day joyously welcome the birth of a new child, and then find out that there might be a bit of chromosome confusion going on. So what do you do as this child grows up and seems to fit maybe partway as a girl and partway as a boy? Do you treat this child as a boy or a girl? And way more importantly, do you love this child as a unique and God-given presence on this earth, the way that every stinkin' one of us is?

This isn't some immoral decision to grow up super-tall and have amazing muscles. It's the hand that she, and all of us, were dealt.

If (and this is completely if) she has a bit of a Y chromosome floating around in there somewhere, does that make her less of a human? And if you're obsessing about her possibly having an unfair advantage in women's BB, where do you think she ought to play? In men's BB? When she lives as a woman, with all the baggage that comes along with that? Shouldn't she have the chance to work with the talents that God gave her, even if they might leave some bureaucrat somewhere scratching his/her head??

Life isn't black and white, and the best decision isn't always obvious. So maybe some women athletes have genetics a bit different from the usual distribution, but that's not as if they were using 'roids or doping in some other fashion. And who knows what strange quirks there might be with male athletes? No one seems to obsess about them this way.

Maybe instead of bit*hing and moaning about her all the time, a better response would be to figure out how to devise an adequate game plan that could defend her! In other words, stop whining, and step up and play.


eta: sorry, I was responding to posts about Brittany Griner, and I can now see that in fact, the thread itself was more about academic qualification.

So I apologize for any inadvertent threadjack, but I stand behind what I posted.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
I don't know how people actually listen to his program for info...he ran an entire segment on whether Griner was a man or a woman and if they should gender test her.
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I think this has really become the "more" important issue on this thread. Because I have always wondered that myself. Jamie Lee Curtis was born half and half(their is a term for it, not sure, I think it's aphrodite?), anyway, her parents had to make a decision if they wanted a girl or boy? Perhaps Griner had this issue?
 
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douglas67 said:
I think this has really become the "more" important issue on this thread. Because I have always wondered that myself. Jamie Lee Curtis was born half and half(their is a term for it, not sure, I think it's aphrodite?), anyway, her parents had to make a decision if they wanted a girl or boy? Perhaps Griner had this issue?
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A) The term you are looking for is not "aphrodite."

B) There is no credible evidence that Jamie Lee Curtis was born as anything other than a normal baby girl. Cindy Brady isn't dead either.
 
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lol, in the department of Out of Left Field, I had never realized that there were those who questioned Jamie Lee Curtis's genetic makeup. I always loved her as an actress, especially in A Fish Called Wanda and True Lies (with Ahnold.)

If anything, I associate her with those unfortunates who make rumbling tummy noises during meetings, courtesy of her commercials for Activia yoghurt. But hey, that's just me. :crazy:

--I guess that part of me gets a bit broody to think that women who portray tough and independent characters get somehow labeled as hermaphrodites. I mean, seriously guys??
 
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douglas67 said:
I think this has really become the "more" important issue on this thread. Because I have always wondered that myself. Jamie Lee Curtis was born half and half(their is a term for it, not sure, I think it's aphrodite?), anyway, her parents had to make a decision if they wanted a girl or boy? Perhaps Griner had this issue?
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LMAO :eek:lol:

If only you knew how far off, yet how close you are (in spelling the word, only), then you'd laugh, too.

Greek goddess of love, beauty, etc: Aphrodite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Britney Griner: Hermaphrodite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Thats one scarey chick when she talks.It is told that's why she didn't try out for Olympics knowing she would be tested.I'll take TB over several others on the radio
 
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It's been over 40 years since the gender of a UT footballer was questioned. Even then, Jacqueline was all male on the outside.

Back to student-athletes. I would personally like to see academic standards truly standardized for all BCS schools. If athletes want to play at the BCS level, they should be willing to start the process in grade school/high school. If they aren't willing to be students they will be relegated to FCS or NAIA schools. The NFL might still find 'em but it won't be a quick sell. Recruiting thugs and academic amoeba types does nothing for big time college football. Big time college football should be big time colleges with big time student-athletes. Make the standard a genuine standard - - across the board!
 
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volswillrise12 said:
I just wanted to get reaction to Basilio blowing smoke about the academic at risk kids in regards to recruiting. Cheek and Martin are going to allow a couple in our recruiting class as a "loosening" of this rule. The average SEC program usually takes on 5...I still agree that Martin and Cheek need to go but is this really as a big a factor with the failure of our program?
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From what I've heard, the problem isn't so much being able to get kids in as it is that UT doesn't use the same grading standards (for example a 1.8 won't round up to a 2.0 for purposes of keeping a kid eligible) and we don't seem to offer easy majors like a lot of other schools do.

The whole thing is rather confusing, but that is the way I heard it explained.
 
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