Tony Stewart Smokes Goodyear Tires

#26
#26
The thing I think of when reading Knaus's comments is that they have had the same car at every race, and the racing has been basically good with no issue like this. The only variable other than the track is the tires. The racing yesterday was forgetable IMO, most passing was done in the pits. That should be what NASCAR considers, as they always claim the show for the fans is first priority.
 
#27
#27
Yesterday's race was equivilant to the Steelers-Jets game on Monday Night Football during that terrible rain storm
 
#28
#28
dan4vols said:
Thats what it is Goodyear has basically bought out any competition so they dont have to take product quality seriously. And should a vocal driver complain, the cry of ''just drive the car and quit your whining'' should be enough to quell any defect theories. All tire vendors should be at the races, all having to pass nascar qualifications, chosen by the teams.
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I meant to comment before, but was tied up doing the stats. I tend to agree, but remember what happened with Hoosier before. They came out with gumball soft tires that put their cars on the pole, and out front, but only a very short time. This got them publicity, but at the expense of reliability, hence also safety. The latter leading to the current situation. Also it made it more expensive for the team owners as tires had to be changed more frequently.

Tires are the single most important cog in the handling/lap speed equation. No matter what advances are discovered in chassis design or downforce gained, the tires are ultimately the limiting factor to available traction. Atlanta was an excellent example of this, DW touched on it during qualifying when he said some of the drivers needed to learn to slow down to go fast. They were entering the turns too fast, losing front traction causing them to push up the turn and hurting their lap times by loss of momentum through the turn and at the exit.
 
#29
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rbroyles said:
I meant to comment before, but was tied up doing the stats. I tend to agree, but remember what happened with Hoosier before. They came out with gumball soft tires that put their cars on the pole, and out front, but only a very short time. This got them publicity, but at the expense of reliability, hence also safety. The latter leading to the current situation. Also it made it more expensive for the team owners as tires had to be changed more frequently.

Tires are the single most important cog in the handling/lap speed equation. No matter what advances are discovered in chassis design or downforce gained, the tires are ultimately the limiting factor to available traction. Atlanta was an excellent example of this, DW touched on it during qualifying when he said some of the drivers needed to learn to slow down to go fast. They were entering the turns too fast, losing front traction causing them to push up the turn and hurting their lap times by loss of momentum through the turn and at the exit.
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Good post
 
#30
#30
I listened to the clip on my way home from work yesterday. He didn't smoke Goodyear he ripped 'em a new one!
 
#31
#31
KB5252 said:
I listened to the clip on my way home from work yesterday. He didn't smoke Goodyear he ripped 'em a new one!
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I couldn't pass up what I thought was a clever title, and play on words, oh well, but you are correct.
 
#32
#32
Looks like they might have missed the combo for the car, the track and the weather conditions. Most times they get it right. No need to make a federal case out of it.
 
#33
#33
volinbham said:
Looks like they might have missed the combo for the car, the track and the weather conditions. Most times they get it right. No need to make a federal case out of it.
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I don't think any of us have made more of it than there is, but the drivers are voicing much stronger opinions than normal. To me that makes it worthy of note, the print media, Sports Center, Around the Track, etc. seem to agree. It could be a much larger issue if a similar problem occurs at Bristol where tires receive their toughest test, and there is less margin of error for the drivers.
 
#34
#34
If they dont get it right at Bristol, its gonna look like a dirt track race... sideways all the way around :rock:
 
#35
#35
rbroyles said:
I don't think any of us have made more of it than there is, but the drivers are voicing much stronger opinions than normal. To me that makes it worthy of note, the print media, Sports Center, Around the Track, etc. seem to agree. It could be a much larger issue if a similar problem occurs at Bristol where tires receive their toughest test, and there is less margin of error for the drivers.
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I generally discount it when Tony Stewart makes a big deal about it since he has a habit of stating this type of opinion.

Sounds like the other drivers acknowledge the tire was bad for the Atlanta race but TS makes is sound as if Goodyear should face criminal charges for ongoing crimes against NASCAR. There have been plenty of races where I've heard drivers praising their tires. This appears to be an isolated incident.
 
#37
#37
d4ster3 said:
like Knaus said, I think the cars are the reason for the tire problems...
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They had same cars at all races without this amount of problems. I understand what he is saying, the current car has less downforce than the old car, so the harder tires were more of a factor than they would have been on the old car. The point is they were a factor, and the racing suffered for it. That is my point.
 
#38
#38
Has anyone else noticed the competition? Last week there was like 22 cars on the lead lap after 60 laps and at Vegas there was like 17 on the lead lap by lap 80? That tells me that these guys are really struggling getting a grip with the combination right now? You know you have a problem when your facing ridiculement from nearly every Nascar driver. I think this will be resolved as these teams are able to adjust a bit, but right now it's certainly a problem
 
#39
#39
volinbham said:
I generally discount it when Tony Stewart makes a big deal about it since he has a habit of stating this type of opinion.

Sounds like the other drivers acknowledge the tire was bad for the Atlanta race but TS makes is sound as if Goodyear should face criminal charges for ongoing crimes against NASCAR. There have been plenty of races where I've heard drivers praising their tires. This appears to be an isolated incident.
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bingo.

here's my problem with it:

1. he finished second.
2. he could have said what needed to be said without sounding like Goodyear designs tires to kill people.
3. he STILL finished second.

Tony is the guy who takes what people are rumbling about in the garage, as was the case this weekend, and lets the public know about it.
 
#40
#40
doozer said:
bingo.

here's my problem with it:

1. he finished second.
2. he could have said what needed to be said without sounding like Goodyear designs tires to kill people.
3. he STILL finished second.

Tony is the guy who takes what people are rumbling about in the garage, as was the case this weekend, and lets the public know about it.
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Thank you for jogging my deteriorating brain, I was going to point out #1 & #3 in an earlier post, but let it slip away. The more Stewart has talked about this whole deal, the less it has seemed to become. It has become an abject lesson in overkill. It's almost starting to seem like some round about excuse for getting beat by his teammate. I wonder how long TS will play second fiddle?
 
#42
#42
doozer said:
hopefully it's right before he heads back over to the IRL... :whistling:
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I know that is at least a little tongue-in-cheek, but he has threatened to go back to the IRL before. I like it when drivers speak their mind, but it has to be sensible.
 
#44
#44
As big as it used. Just one name would be huge. Smoke is a god in Indiana and a return to the 500 would be massive for the IRL.
 
#46
#46
Tony was being Tony. That is what he is known for. I give him props for saying something. Maybe NASCAR will catch a hint. Drivers need to speak up, or nothing will ever improve.
 
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