Tookie Williams death penalty

Will Tookie WIlliams be executed?

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This is a tough one. I am generally not in favor of the death penalty as a form of punishment but it is usually hard for me to get behind the cause of spending tax money to keep some murderer alive. So I often finding myself of being in the position of an inactive death penalty opponent. Once again, Tookie and his murderous history do not evoke any sympathy from me but I am not sure what it serves to put him down. As far as the poll question goes...my gut tells me that if Arnold had already decided not to grant clemency he would have said something yesterday so that this man and his friends and family could prepare for the inevitable. My guess is that Gov. Arnold will toss in for the Hollywood ending and grant a reprive later today, maybe even within minutes of the appointed time.
 
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Let him die, and when he gets to hell, he will burn for eternity for all the crime and suffering he and his "Gang" has caused and will continue to cause.

Send a statement to all the would-be goons who choose to live a life of crime and murder.

Who gives a crap about the "books" and reforming he went through. Better hope that saves him in the next life. As far as I'm concerned, he gave up this life on his own.

And to all the celebrities and supporters, they can go shove their heads up someone else's butt. I hear Saddam needs some supporters :realmad:

Thank you, I feel better now.
 
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All violent crimes should be death penalty...non violent put in work crews. No sittin on their butt using computers, library, other recreational facilities. I mean clearing ground, harvesting crops, work their butt off. Feed em 3 hots and a cot, other than that they gave up rights to anything else.
 
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The death penaly should be abbolished. The government should not have the power to execute its citizens. :twocents:
 
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Originally posted by Orange-Neck@Dec 12, 2005 6:03 PM
The death penaly should be abbolished. The government should not have the power to execute its citizens.  :twocents:
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A jury of your peers. That is who decides.
 
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I'm personally against the death penalty, as a Christian.

However, I also believe that the death penalty is a waste of money. In many more cases than not, putting a criminal to death is far more expensive than keeping them in prison for life.
 
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Originally posted by milohimself@Dec 12, 2005 6:23 PM
In many more cases than not, putting a criminal to death is far more expensive than keeping them in prison for life.
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Please explain how you figure this???
 
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Originally posted by milohimself@Dec 12, 2005 6:23 PM
I'm personally against the death penalty, as a Christian.

However, I also believe that the death penalty is a waste of money. In many more cases than not, putting a criminal to death is far more expensive than keeping them in prison for life.
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christians should also be against our judicial system. we should not judge another man. only god can.


i am a baptist (when i make it, which is very rare) and let the man die. he started a dispicibal gang which has murdered and raped thousands along the years. he has never once apologized for his crime.

strap him in ol sparky and fire it up. eye for an eye.

if anyone killed someone i loved and cared for, i will do the killing my self. i know he has "changed" but that doesnt bring those ppl back, and this is closure for their families.


RIP. :peace:
 
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Originally posted by checkerboard_charly@Dec 12, 2005 6:57 PM

if anyone killed someone i loved and cared for, i will do the killing my self. i know he has "changed" but that doesnt bring those ppl back, and this is closure for their families.
RIP.  :peace:
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Exactly how I feel. Even though he may have changed his ways, that dosn't absolve him from the penalty for his crime.

Whosoever shed's man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed; for in the image of God he made man Genesis 9:6 NKJV
 
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plain and simple



Kill him

Ill throw the switch. As USAF VOl, said, we need to send a message.

Hell i think they should out it on CNN, and i think they should play it every time someone is arrested for a minor crime, let them know where a life or crime can take you.

That is all.

They were just going to let Chuck norris have 30 mins in a room, but they death pently was "more humane"
 
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I love how all of these rapists and murderers are all of a sudden "changed people" whenever it comes time to be executed.

There's a guy in Tennessee, Phillip Workman, that has been set to be executed three or four times for killing a policeman in Memphis... he's managed to get a stay every time so far. And yeah, he's found Jesus while doing his time.

Apparently I'd been hiding under a fairly large rock, since I hadn't heard of Tookie Williams until recently when this has came up in the news... :eek:
 
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Originally posted by tidwell@Dec 12, 2005 9:31 PM
I love how all of these rapists and murderers are all of a sudden "changed people" whenever it comes time to be executed.

There's a guy in Tennessee, Phillip Workman, that has been set to be executed three or four times for killing a policeman in Memphis... he's managed to get a stay every time so far.  And yeah, he's found Jesus while doing his time.

Apparently I'd been hiding under a fairly large rock, since I hadn't heard of Tookie Williams until recently when this has came up in the news... :eek:
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jamie foxx did a movie called redemption about him. i like jamie and all. but this guy is just a thug and a killer.

i have no remorse for these ppl.

a body was found in my little town, one mile from my house, yesterday and i hope whoever did that goes to jail for a long time.

everyone kinda turns a shoulder to these crimes unless it happens to them. and to me it is down right disgusting and unforgivable for a man to take anothers man's life.


:realmad:
 
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Aha, they were showing some photos of Tookie on the news earlier, and I saw one of Jamie Foxx shaking his hand or whatever brothers do. Thought it was pretty odd... makes sense if he made a movie about him.
 
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They had the store clerk'stepmother that Tookie shot in the back in the rear of store on ABC. She said he was just working to make some extra money. They showed a picture of him(her stepson) and he had a military uniform on. The case appears to be a cut and dry case. I think it cost more to house these criminals than a soldier makes initially (24,000). I also don't understand how some jails, for instance and this is fact, don't let you smoke, go outside, come out of your cell maybe an hour a day to work out, not allowed televisions, only newspapers. This was a small insignificant crime, too. Some prisons are like Holiday Inn. Where's the justice.
That said, there are innocent people locked up that may be facing the death penalty. Every case has to be viewed separately.
 
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Originally posted by USAF_Vol@Dec 12, 2005 3:34 PM
Please explain how you figure this???
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For every sure-fire death penalty case, there are 15 more that require years of appeals and retrials. But you have to do this, to make sure they are guilty, as heavy a penalty as capital punishment is. This makes it far more expensive to put someone to death than to throw them in a cell and give them some crappy grub for the rest of their life.
 
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Originally posted by milohimself@Dec 12, 2005 10:59 PM
For every sure-fire death penalty case, there are 15 more that require years of appeals and retrials. But you have to do this, to make sure they are guilty, as heavy a penalty as capital punishment is. This makes it far more expensive to put someone to death than to throw them in a cell and give them some crappy grub for the rest of their life.
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But everyone gets the appeal process. No matter how guilty you are.

Ask GAVol, we had a double homicide at Robins in 2004. After a full confession and a year later, the murderer was found guilty of pre-meditated murder.

Granted, it was one of the most recent capital punishment crimes in the military in recent years, he still gets to appeal to commute his sentence. This keeping hi on death row at Leavenworth for 10-15 years (appeals take a while).

Milo, you are a good guy, but you are misinformed. Appeals happen for everyone, regardless. Just part of the American justice system.
 
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Either way, it is still a very, very expensive process to put someone to death.

This subject is absolutely the most pointless thing ever to debate on a moral level. I don't think I have ever once seen or heard somebody change their moral opinion on capital punishment as the result of a debate.
 
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Originally posted by GAVol@Dec 12, 2005 8:06 PM
Just the cost of doing business.
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I believe the main purpose should be to remove said criminal from society in order to keep the rest of us safe.
 
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:toast:

I know what you mean milo. You guys take care, I have to get up early in the morning for training. Later.
 
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