Top 5 basketball coaches.

#26
#26
The Lakers are my favorite NBA team so I think that Phil's got a brilliant brain., but I see where you're going I understand what you're saying but if it wasn't for Donovan then Horford, Brewer, Green, Humphrey, Noah, and Richard wouldn't have been at Florida anyway
 
#27
#27
TennesseeFan07 said:
The Lakers are my favorite NBA team so I think that Phil's got a brilliant brain., but I see where you're going I understand what you're saying but if it wasn't for Donovan then Horford, Brewer, Green, Humphrey, Noah, and Richard wouldn't have been at Florida anyway
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we've been talking about the best coaches, not the best recruiters. I don't equate the two.
 
#29
#29
Donovan took a team near the bottom of the SEC in basketball tradition. He has taken them to 9 NCAA tournaments in a row and to the finals 3 times (all this without ever being named SEC coach of the year).


Some interesting information about his 2004 recruiting class, it was ranked something like 21st (FSU was the top ranked class that year by Rivals) and they were unranked going into the 2005-2006 season.

They won back to back championships first in a year that no body expected them to win and then followed it up in a year everyone expected them to win. His starting lineup included 2 players from Tennessee including one big Vol fan that UT did not offer.

He has matured as a coach, putting a strong emphasis on defense. Granted this will be a difficult year (I will be thrilled if he is able to stretch the tournament streak to 10), but he continues to recruit solid recruits and they will be a factor in the future.

Would be interested to know how how much do you think Donovan has grown as a coach the last 11 years?
 
#30
#30
jrcg8tor said:
Donovan took a team near the bottom of the SEC in basketball tradition. He has taken them to 9 NCAA tournaments in a row and to the finals 3 times (all this without ever being named SEC coach of the year).


Some interesting information about his 2004 recruiting class, it was ranked something like 21st (FSU was the top ranked class that year by Rivals) and they were unranked going into the 2005-2006 season.

They won back to back championships first in a year that no body expected them to win and then followed it up in a year everyone expected them to win. His starting lineup included 2 players from Tennessee including one big Vol fan that UT did not offer.

He has matured as a coach, putting a strong emphasis on defense. Granted this will be a difficult year (I will be thrilled if he is able to stretch the tournament streak to 10), but he continues to recruit solid recruits and they will be a factor in the future.

Would be interested to know how how much do you think Donovan has grown as a coach the last 11 years?
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I agree with your take 100%. Donovan has grown leaps and bounds as a coach. You can see it in his recruiting and you can see it on the sidelines. He used to get a lot of kids that would only be there a year or two at the most. Now he gets kids that are going to stick around longer. I agree this year is going to be tough, it may be his best coaching feat.
 
#31
#31
crazyguy said:
How do you leave out a guy with back to back off of the list?
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That and the fact he's built a top hoops program at a "football" school. Only one of those coaches have back to back titles..and only 6 other teams have ever done it..he's top 5 easily.
 
#32
#32
jrcg8tor said:
Donovan took a team near the bottom of the SEC in basketball tradition. He has taken them to 9 NCAA tournaments in a row and to the finals 3 times (all this without ever being named SEC coach of the year).


Some interesting information about his 2004 recruiting class, it was ranked something like 21st (FSU was the top ranked class that year by Rivals) and they were unranked going into the 2005-2006 season.

They won back to back championships first in a year that no body expected them to win and then followed it up in a year everyone expected them to win. His starting lineup included 2 players from Tennessee including one big Vol fan that UT did not offer.

He has matured as a coach, putting a strong emphasis on defense. Granted this will be a difficult year (I will be thrilled if he is able to stretch the tournament streak to 10), but he continues to recruit solid recruits and they will be a factor in the future.

Would be interested to know how how much do you think Donovan has grown as a coach the last 11 years?
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his emphasis on D consisted of two gifted paint defenders with little discipline and Brewer guarding the other team's best perimeter player. That's hardly emphasis. His REAL emphasis has been the 3 and the TN boy was hot as a firecracker during the last two tourneys.

Basketball recruiting ranking are even more worthless than football. JH was never going to be a big 5 star type player, but UF doesn't cut down the nets without him. Noah went from atrocious to board and defensive dominator and that helped tremendously, very little of that ascent was coaching. Horford and Brewer were the heart and soul of the team and it helped immeasurably that the pair of them are very gifted and unselfish. Green was a very serviceable point guard (although very weak defender). Timing and very weakened paint presence across all of college basketball made it work.

Donovan held the reigns and went along for the ride.
 
#33
#33
So you are sticking with Donovan being middle of the pack in the SEC. Would like to see your top to bottom rankings of the SEC basketball coaches.
 
#34
#34
BigPapaVol said:
as of right now, donovan's still middle of the pack, at best, in the SEC
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Man you're dumb :crazy:, he brought Florida out from the bottom of the SEC, he went to 3 national championship games and won two of them which were back to back. He has won 3 SEC regular season titles, 3 straight SEC touney titles, and 4 SEC East titles. And you Bruce Pearl says he is by far the best coach in the country.

Here is a list of coaches in the SEC that Donovan is better than.

Dennis Felton (UGA)
Billy Gillispie (UK)
Dave Odom (USCe)
Bruce Pearl (UT)
Kevin Stallings (Vandy)
Mark Gottfried (Bama)
John Pelphrey (Arkansas)
Jeff Lebo (Auburn)
John Brady (LSU)
Rick Stansbury (Miss. St.)
Andy Kennedy (Ole Miss)

Thats right, that is all of them.
 
#35
#35
gatorlover97 said:
Man you're dumb :crazy:, he brought Florida out from the bottom of the SEC, he went to 3 national championship games and won two of them which were back to back. He has won 3 SEC regular season titles, 3 straight SEC touney titles, and 4 SEC East titles. And you Bruce Pearl says he is by far the best coach in the country.

Here is a list of coaches in the SEC that Donovan is better than.

Dennis Felton (UGA)
Billy Gillispie (UK)
Dave Odom (USCe)
Bruce Pearl (UT)
Kevin Stallings (Vandy)
Mark Gottfried (Bama)
John Pelphrey (Arkansas)
Jeff Lebo (Auburn)
John Brady (LSU)
Rick Stansbury (Miss. St.)
Andy Kennedy (Ole Miss)

Thats right, that is all of them.
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He's 1 and 3 against Pearl. He'll be considered second best once Pearl gets a half dozen seasons under his belt.
 
#37
#37
scottone928 said:
I will lose to Pearl everytime if it means winning all the others.
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so you're going to be happy with reverting back to losing to the likes of Manhattan in the tourney soon. Pearl will definitely have your crowd handled going forward and you're not going to beat the rest without an overwhelming advantage. that advantage ain't happening again any time soon.
 
#38
#38
gatorlover97 said:
Man you're dumb :crazy:, he brought Florida out from the bottom of the SEC, he went to 3 national championship games and won two of them which were back to back. He has won 3 SEC regular season titles, 3 straight SEC touney titles, and 4 SEC East titles. And you Bruce Pearl says he is by far the best coach in the country.

Here is a list of coaches in the SEC that Donovan is better than.

Dennis Felton (UGA)
Billy Gillispie (UK)
Dave Odom (USCe)
Bruce Pearl (UT)
Kevin Stallings (Vandy)
Mark Gottfried (Bama)
John Pelphrey (Arkansas)
Jeff Lebo (Auburn)
John Brady (LSU)
Rick Stansbury (Miss. St.)
Andy Kennedy (Ole Miss)

Thats right, that is all of them.
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My bad, you're clearly a storehouse of basketball knowledge and very objective in your viewpoint. I'll just bow out of the debate because you've made your point so well.
 
#45
#45
tvolsfan said:
Pearl seems to be near the top, but right now, I have to give the most credit to Donovan.
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Donovan has achieved the most, especially recently, but if I had to play 5 on 5 next month against a team of equal talent, I wouldn't pick Donovan to coach them until somewhere way down the list.

The fact that an undersized, terrible FT shooting, no rebounding, no halfcourt D playing UT team beat UF 3 of the last 4 times is very telling regarding Donovan's coaching.
 
#46
#46
BigPapaVol said:
Donovan has achieved the most, especially recently, but if I had to play 5 on 5 next month against a team of equal talent, I wouldn't pick Donovan to coach them until somewhere way down the list.

The fact that an undersized, terrible FT shooting, no rebounding, no halfcourt D playing UT team beat UF 3 of the last 4 times is very telling regarding Donovan's coaching.
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BigPapa, I hear what you're saying, but coaches and teams, even back-to-back champions, sometimes have difficult match-ups against teams you'd think they should beat easily.

UT also was way jacked up for all of those games, and I doubt Florida had the same level of intensity (esp. the first two games). UT was still a nobody in 2006.

And despite the shortcomings you mention above (all of which I agree with except perhaps the halfcourt D), they also some assets. Great perimeter shooting, harrassing full-court defense, a fairly deep bench, and a lot of energy. And, most important, they had Chris Lofton.

So, Donovan's 2 straight NCs outweigh his 1-3 record against Pearl and put him in the top echelon in my book.
 
#47
#47
The telling story to me is that he has been to 3 yes 3 NT's in the last 7 years. It's not like he has only been to the last two and that's it!
 
#48
#48
scottone928 said:
The telling story to me is that he has been to 3 yes 3 NT's in the last 7 years. It's not like he has only been to the last two and that's it!
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then tell me, what's the hallmark of his coaching, or the common thread amongst those hallowed squads that went to the title game
 
#49
#49
BigPapaVol said:
Joe Torre won what seemed like 12 WS titles in a row and wouldn't have put him first. He was hired to chaperone an enormous collection talent and he did so. I don't call that coaching genius. Ditto Phil Jackson.
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Wrong. He was hired in 1995, not 2000, when the spending spree began. Just because his GM gave him expensive players since then does not mean that he was hired to do so.
 
#50
#50
BigPapaVol said:
then tell me, what's the hallmark of his coaching, or the common thread amongst those hallowed squads that went to the title game
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The fact that he recognized what the talent he had assembled could do, and he was able to change his style to fit theirs.
 
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