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ooltewahvol

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Yes I know that we landed Da'rick Rogers but I am just wondering what do yall think our chances are with bigtime 5 star recruits with this staff? Do you feel we will be able to recruit with the Bamas and Floridas of the world or just settle in like Georgia has seem to do.
 
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Yes I know we will target the top prospects but what do you think are chances of being competitive with them are
 
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I'm more concerned with the staff coaching up the talent we have now and getting them to play their best.

We will be able to land top talent easily if we can beat our rivals on the reg.
 
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I think we will be more competitive with them than with the last staff,because a lot of the big name guys we were going after last year didn't trust the old staff.
 
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These guys are going to take the strong work ethic guys with a stronger back ground in academics. We will take less and less of academic risks, and probably won't be taking many, if any, character risk guys. Dooley knows the importance of keeping a class together for 4-5 years.
 
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UTVOL02 said:
I'm more concerned with the staff coaching up the talent we have now and getting them to play their best.

We will be able to land top talent easily if we can beat our rivals on the reg.
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I agree about coaching being more important.

Boise State is an obvious example but since they play in the WAC, Iowa might be a better one. Iowa is terrible at recruiting yet...

2008 9-4
Pitt(1pt), Illinois(3pt), Mich St(3pt) Northwestern(5pt)

2009 11-2
Ohio State(3pt), Northwestern(7pt)

Both of their losses in 2009 were with a freshman quarterback that had only thrown a couple passes prior to playing in those games.

The SEC is obviously better than the Big 10 but Iowa's recruiting classes rank between like 40-70. Tennessee finishing in the top 10-15 recruiting every year is more than enough talent to compete with Florida, Bama etc. as long as the coaching staff does a good job of coaching them up.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
I agree about coaching being more important.

Boise State is an obvious example but since they play in the WAC, Iowa might be a better one. Iowa is terrible at recruiting yet...

2008 9-4
Pitt(1pt), Illinois(3pt), Mich St(3pt) Northwestern(5pt)

2009 11-2
Ohio State(3pt), Northwestern(7pt)

Both of their losses in 2009 were with a freshman quarterback that had only thrown a couple passes prior to playing in those games.

The SEC is obviously better than the Big 10 but Iowa's recruiting classes rank between like 40-70. Tennessee finishing in the top 10-15 recruiting every year is more than enough talent to compete with Florida, Bama etc. as long as the coaching staff does a good job of coaching them up.
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Even as somebody that feels recruiting is very important... I have to say your arguement was very good and makes me think. I'm surprised Iowa's coach is still there... I hear he's waiting on Joe Pa to retire, but seems he could do way better then Iowa in the meantime. He's done an incredible job. I wonder how he'd do in the SEC? I think he'd have to recruit way better here? But who knows...
 
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NBKGault said:
Even as somebody that feels recruiting is very important... I have to say your arguement was very good and makes me think. I'm surprised Iowa's coach is still there... I hear he's waiting on Joe Pa to retire, but seems he could do way better then Iowa in the meantime. He's done an incredible job. I wonder how he'd do in the SEC? I think he'd have to recruit way better here? But who knows...
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Yeah, I hang on every possible 4/5 star recruit. I will stay up late trying to find info, but it would be nice to have a staff that could take a squad of mainly 3 and 4 star recruits and beat the daylights out of teams full of 5 star players.

I do think it is possible. I think Auburn has done it in the past.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
I agree about coaching being more important.

Boise State is an obvious example but since they play in the WAC, Iowa might be a better one. Iowa is terrible at recruiting yet...

2008 9-4
Pitt(1pt), Illinois(3pt), Mich St(3pt) Northwestern(5pt)

2009 11-2
Ohio State(3pt), Northwestern(7pt)

Both of their losses in 2009 were with a freshman quarterback that had only thrown a couple passes prior to playing in those games.

The SEC is obviously better than the Big 10 but Iowa's recruiting classes rank between like 40-70. Tennessee finishing in the top 10-15 recruiting every year is more than enough talent to compete with Florida, Bama etc. as long as the coaching staff does a good job of coaching them up.
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Bingo!
 
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Splain yourself: you are in MI, but your username is Bear Bryant, & your pic is of USC's insignia. What gives? I need some info, as i'm too curious.
 
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TnVolFan14 said:
I think we will be more competitive with them than with the last staff,because a lot of the big name guys we were going after last year didn't trust the old staff.
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Not particularly true. I have issues with the old staff too and believe Kiffin and O to be very low class men... but they had UT in on alot of big name guys. Their "methods" got them in on more than they excluded them from getting in on.
 
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Alot of folks say that UT can't be competitive with top 10 classes if UF, Bama, LSU, etc are getting top 5 classes. IMO, that gives the rankings a level of infallibility that the services aren't worthy of.

IF these guys get top 10 classes with an occasional top 20 class for filling needs... and IF they limit attrition due to things other than guys who leave because they aren't good enough to compete... and finally IF the can both coach players up AND match/better the game day coaching of other SEC coaches... then they'll be fine. I think this tends to be an underestimated or forgotten component. Signing and coaching up players is all fine and dandy but if you can't coach gameday you aren't going to win. That was always my beef with Chavis... He was mediocre as a playcaller and terrible with in-game adjustments.

As the pessimists among us love to point out... that's alot of "IF"'s but that's the best we have right now.
 
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ooltewahvol said:
Yes I know that we landed Da'rick Rogers but I am just wondering what do yall think our chances are with bigtime 5 star recruits with this staff? Do you feel we will be able to recruit with the Bamas and Floridas of the world or just settle in like Georgia has seem to do.
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We better get some to keep up with Florida and Bama. I know coaching will help alot but its is Alabama and Florida and they have top 5 classes every year
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
I agree about coaching being more important.

Boise State is an obvious example but since they play in the WAC, Iowa might be a better one. Iowa is terrible at recruiting yet...

2008 9-4
Pitt(1pt), Illinois(3pt), Mich St(3pt) Northwestern(5pt)

2009 11-2
Ohio State(3pt), Northwestern(7pt)

Both of their losses in 2009 were with a freshman quarterback that had only thrown a couple passes prior to playing in those games.

The SEC is obviously better than the Big 10 but Iowa's recruiting classes rank between like 40-70. Tennessee finishing in the top 10-15 recruiting every year is more than enough talent to compete with Florida, Bama etc. as long as the coaching staff does a good job of coaching them up.
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Agree

We have enough talent to succeed even this year. Depth is the concern, and not in a small way.

We build depth by a few solid classes in a row and smaller attrition numbers.

What is important for the 2011 class is getting the top in state talent. Send a message.
 
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Only those with Orange in their veins need apply. Its not worth catering and worrying about those who want attention and the spotlight on themselves, etc..... They are not TEAM PLAYERS. Less talented teams with TEAM PLAYERS and good coaching win ballgames. Book it!!!
 
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agree. Being one of five sec teams in the top ten every year should be enough talent to compete. Recruiting eval is not a science, it's an art.

sjt18 said:
Alot of folks say that UT can't be competitive with top 10 classes if UF, Bama, LSU, etc are getting top 5 classes. IMO, that gives the rankings a level of infallibility that the services aren't worthy of.

IF these guys get top 10 classes with an occasional top 20 class for filling needs... and IF they limit attrition due to things other than guys who leave because they aren't good enough to compete... and finally IF the can both coach players up AND match/better the game day coaching of other SEC coaches... then they'll be fine. I think this tends to be an underestimated or forgotten component. Signing and coaching up players is all fine and dandy but if you can't coach gameday you aren't going to win. That was always my beef with Chavis... He was mediocre as a playcaller and terrible with in-game adjustments.

As the pessimists among us love to point out... that's alot of "IF"'s but that's the best we have right now.
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I agree with the posters that say being in the top 10 in recruiting is good enough to compete, but I wouldn't assume this staff can't out-recruit UF and Bama when they haven't even had a full recruiting season yet.
 
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triadvolfan said:
I agree with the posters that say being in the top 10 in recruiting is good enough to compete, but I wouldn't assume this staff can't out-recruit UF and Bama when they haven't even had a full recruiting season yet.
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If Chizik & staff can reel in a top five class at Auburn, there is no reason Dooley & staff can't do it at Tennessee. AU has strong brand recognition and their ability to sell early PT helped them a lot. Tennessee's brand recognition is better than AU's and like them, in the short term, UT can still offer less competition for early PT than recruits will face at UF, UA, LSU, UGA, etc. I would expect that UT will land a highly ranked classes for 2011.
 
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We haven't had a good enough defense to win consistently in a long time. I can't wait to hear the bashers... but I believe Wilcox can deliver... Bama nor Florida win with offense folks... they win with their D... the offense is just icing on the cake...
 
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Joe Vols said:
We haven't had a good enough defense to win consistently in a long time. I can't wait to hear the bashers... but I believe Wilcox can deliver... Bama nor Florida win with offense folks... they win with their D... the offense is just icing on the cake...
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Generally I agree with your point and with the old adage that defense wins championships. That said, you really need a fairly productive offense and special teams too. You can't have your defense on the field too much or keep putting it in tough field position situations due to turnovers and poor special teams. But it is true that a strong defense not only keeps you in every game, a dominating one helps create opportunities for your offense. You'll usually find that teams with purportedly great defenses also have pretty good offenses and special teams that are in turn helping their defense out.
 
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Dooley will get top recruits... if he wins with the team he has now. With that said, I expect 2 or 3 5 stars recruits in the 2011 class.
 
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