Top Ten differences between white terrorists and others

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YorkVol said:
There is so much wrong in the OP that is hard to know where to start.

1. BPV is spot on with the distinction between a person who murders for their own sensational reason but without regard to causing any sort of political effect and a person who murders in order to gain a political objective.

2. Terrorism by any of the 17+ definitions always has a political aim.

3. Recent so-called White Terrorists would include Timothy McVeigh and maybe the recent killer at the Sikh Temple, but I would not put the Batman shooter and maybe not Laughner (just don't know enough about his motives) in that category. The mass murderer in Norway could go either way, he definitely had a desire to kill children of the right wing political party, just not sure he intended to have any other political effect on the population--again I would need more details.

4. People get tied to a movement when they are found to be part of a movement. It isn't racist to say that Al Qaeda is part of the Salafist movement with a goal of rebuilding the Islamic Caliphate. That is written in their recruiting brochures.

5. There are many groups that use terrorist tactics to achieve their aims around the world, not just White "Loners" and Muslims. There are also many people who simply lose touch with any sort of reality and just go kill people. The fact that people die is the only real connection between the two. But, people who want to make a pseudosocial/political commentary lump them together and then call anyone who makes a distinction a racist.
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well done
 
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There are subtle observations that have some truth to them, and that is a bit of a concern, but it's not the big issue here. The issue is how such an act leads us to perceive the innocent. A country with a white majority is not going to look at the act of one nut and implicate the entire race. We understand our culture very well and recognize that such an act is not tolerated.

But if the attack is carried out by someone from a minority group with whom we are mostly unfamiliar - especially if there are political implications overseas - the one act that gives that race or religion publicity is going to become that group's label. And when the overwhelming majority of those people don't share the same views of the terrorist, that label becomes a big problem.
 
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UTRavens said:
There are subtle observations that have some truth to them, and that is a bit of a concern, but it's not the big issue here. The issue is how such an act leads us to perceive the innocent. A country with a white majority is not going to look at the act of one nut and implicate the entire race. We understand our culture very well and recognize that such an act is not tolerated.

But if the attack is carried out by someone from a minority group with whom we are mostly unfamiliar - especially if there are political implications overseas - the one act that gives that race or religion publicity is going to become that group's label. And when the overwhelming majority of those people don't share the same views of the terrorist, that label becomes a big problem.
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Look, I argue with GS and the other religious zealots on here 'til the cows come home, but there is a major difference between Osama Bin Laden and the Batman dude.

I am not going to waste all the key strokes to explain why, so I'll refer to the intelligent poster from York, Pa with a background in this sort of stuff.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Look, I argue with GS and the other religious zealots on here 'til the cows come home, but there is a major difference between Osama Bin Laden and the Batman dude.

I am not going to waste all the key strokes to explain why, so I'll refer to the intelligent poster from York, Pa with a background in this sort of stuff.
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I'm not sure why the Batman dude is being mentioned, either. But when it comes to white people who are legitimate terrorists, you do see that difference in how they are treated.
 
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UTRavens said:
Basically what I said before. You don't see anyone making claims about the entire white community based on one person's actions. Unfortunately, that isn't the same with an Islamic terrorist.
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Because they are not the same for the most part.

Now, that is not to say that Islam is the culprit of terrorism. I fight against that all the time. But the two are different.

Again, refer to York's post.
 
#34
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PKT_VOL said:
Because they are not the same for the most part.

Now, that is not to say that Islam is the culprit of terrorism. I fight against that all the time. But the two are different.

Again, refer to York's post.
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It's a good post for sure, but he and I aren't addressing the same question. I'm not even considering instances that weren't political in nature. Obviously those are reaches in attempt to provide currency to an issue that really doesn't have an obvious immediate comparison. My first post probably didn't make that clear enough, but I was focused more on the initial points than where the conversation turned.

I'm more concerned with different reactions to attacks that are rooted in similar motives. Unfortunately, it's often rooted in racial issues and includes more subtle instances alluded to by the OP.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That Muslims who shoot up or bomb a venue are assumed to have done so as part of a centuries-long plot by Islam to kill all Christians or Westerners. We dismiss the Batman shooter, or the Arizona shooter, as clearly mentally ill.
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Until yo got picks of this guy training in some god forsaken place, doing monkey bar moves, and a group taking credit for his murders then yes he would be a lone, crazy SOB.

911...group took credit.

shoe bomber...group took credit

Olympic star being currently threatened...group takes credit

First world trade tower attack....group took credit.


See a pattern here? Oh, hell why am I even asking you this? Of course, you don't see a pattern. You're LG.
 
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Muslims tend to live in forcefully occupied and/or socioeconomically depressed crap holes. White people do not. Draw your own conclusions
 
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BigPapaVol said:
don't be dense. Terrorists are different from mass murderers in that they publicize their motives in order to achieve something. Murderers are just killers. There is a difference. Your OP shows a lack of understanding of said difference.
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Preach on. Not sure why people find this distinction so difficult.
 
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milohimself said:
Muslims tend to live in forcefully occupied and/or socioeconomically depressed crap holes. White people do not. Draw your own conclusions
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Not so sure I buy the socioeconomic reasoning for Islamic terrorism. It plays a part, but Muslim beliefs in the metaphysics of the afterlife and duty to defend Islam against the infidels plays a larger role.
 
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LOL at the part about the muslim terrorists not drinking or doing drugs. The 9-11 guys were frequenting bars and strip clubs during their time in the US.
 
#43
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lawgator1 said:
A friend emailed me this list. Interesting.



Top Ten differences between White Terrorists and Others

1. White terrorists are called “gunmen.” What does that even mean? A person with a gun? Wouldn’t that be, like, everyone in the US? Other terrorists are called, like, “terrorists.”

2. White terrorists are “troubled loners.” Other terrorists are always suspected of being part of a global plot, even when they are obviously troubled loners.

3. Doing a study on the danger of white terrorists at the Department of Homeland Security will get you sidelined by angry white Congressmen. Doing studies on other kinds of terrorists is a guaranteed promotion.

4. The family of a white terrorist is interviewed, weeping as they wonder where he went wrong. The families of other terrorists are almost never interviewed.

5. White terrorists are part of a “fringe.” Other terrorists are apparently mainstream.

6. White terrorists are random events, like tornadoes. Other terrorists are long-running conspiracies.

7. White terrorists are never called “white.” But other terrorists are given ethnic affiliations.

8. Nobody thinks white terrorists are typical of white people. But other terrorists are considered paragons of their societies.

9. White terrorists are alcoholics, addicts or mentally ill. Other terrorists are apparently clean-living and perfectly sane.

10. There is nothing you can do about white terrorists. Gun control won’t stop them. No policy you could make, no government program, could possibly have an impact on them. But hundreds of billions of dollars must be spent on police and on the Department of Defense, and on TSA, which must virtually strip search 60 million people a year, to deal with other terrorists.
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You do have a point.




Why are you so disliked? Is VN's disdain for the left so great that they can't stand to hear those with a differing opinion? Or are you a jackass?
 
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