Torture

Stance on the use of torture methods against suspected terrorists?

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#79
#79
If water boarding is defined as torture:
Yes
Yes
Libertarian
Myself
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#80
#80
Question 1- Are you for or against our govt using methods of torture against suspected terrorists? Against

Question 2- Regardless of your previous answer, do you think torture is effective? NO

Question 3- To which party do you normally align yourself? Libertarian

Question 4- In the last presidential election which candidate did you back? Wrote in Ron Paul.
 
#82
#82
MG1968 said:
I heard the best answer regarding "torture" a couple of months ago dealing with the effectiveness of waterboarding and the answers obtained while waterboarding.

1. Waterboarding isn't torture.
2. When questioning someone while they're being WB'd, you ask questions whose answers you already know, you continue until the prisoner begins answering those questions correctly. This process may take a while, but unlike other forms of torture, the prisoner isn't permanently damaged in any way.
3. Once you have broken a prisoner, WB ceases and interrogations become matter-of-fact affairs. Just look at how cooperative KSM became after he was broken.

With that said, to the OP:

1. See my #1 above.
2. Torture isn't effective in getting the information you want, it's effective in breaking a prisoner, then you get the information you want.
3. Ever since I regrettably voted for Clinton in 1992, I have loosely allied myself with the GOP although I consider myself a libertarian in the model of Neal Boortz.
4. I voted for John McCain despite the fact that I disagreed with him regarding waterboarding. He is permanently, physically damaged as a result of the actual torture he endured at the hands of the NVA.
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This except I wasn't old enough to vote in 1992 yet.
 
#83
#83
yes
yes
none
neither

If torturing a captured terrorist or other criminal saves the life of one American, it's worth it.
 
#84
#84
Against
No
Libertarian
Obama

As a nation, we either have priciples or we don't. If you answered 'For' and/or 'Yes' to 1 & 2, do you feel the same when our service men and women are captured? Being ethnocentric is natural and dangerous.
 
#85
#85
CSVol said:
Against
No
Libertarian
Obama

As a nation, we either have priciples or we don't. If you answered 'For' and/or 'Yes' to 1 & 2, do you feel the same when our service men and women are captured? Being ethnocentric is natural and dangerous.
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Better question for ya. Is being beheaded on al jazeera an act of torture?

We are not fighting a conventional force. The battle field has changed, so we must adapt.
 
#87
#87
CSVol said:
Against
No
Libertarian
Obama

As a nation, we either have priciples or we don't. If you answered 'For' and/or 'Yes' to 1 & 2, do you feel the same when our service men and women are captured? Being ethnocentric is natural and dangerous.
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I think the "if we do it others will do it" argument is over stated. Even if we didn't do it some others would and some others wouldn't.

If I favor "torture" does that mean I favor it be used against our troops? No I don't see that logic because I don't favor it be used in general. However, if we think waterboarding a known terrorists will give us a critical advantage in preventing many innocent deaths then I'm cool with that. If another country knows one of our guys is a terrorist and uses waterboarding to prevent him/her from killing a bunch of innocents in their country well then I guess I can live with that too.
 
#88
#88
7thgroupvolfan said:
Better question for ya. Is being beheaded on al jazeera an act of torture?

We are not fighting a conventional force. The battle field has changed, so we must adapt.
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It absolutely is. We are supposed to be better than that.
 
#89
#89
CSVol said:
It absolutely is. We are supposed to be better than that.
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We are and it's not even close. We took a couple known terrorists and waterboarded them. If you don't see the difference between that an what is referred to in the example then I'm at a loss.
 
#91
#91
volinbham said:
I think the "if we do it others will do it" argument is over stated. Even if we didn't do it some others would and some others wouldn't.

How is it overstated? If we can formulate a moral template justifying torture, what prevents others using it against us? And righfully so.

If I favor "torture" does that mean I favor it be used against our troops? No I don't see that logic because I don't favor it be used in general. However, if we think waterboarding a known terrorists will give us a critical advantage in preventing many innocent deaths then I'm cool with that. If another country knows one of our guys is a terrorist and uses waterboarding to prevent him/her from killing a bunch of innocents in their country well then I guess I can live with that too.
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You were cool with the NVA torturing POW's? The Japanese? Or just when we do it. I'm sure from their viewpoint Americans were killing innocents.
 
#92
#92
volinbham said:
We are and it's not even close. We took a couple known terrorists and waterboarded them. If you don't see the difference between that an what is referred to in the example then I'm at a loss.
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What was referred to in the example? The question was "Are you for or against our gov't using methods of torture against suspected terrorists?" Torture is "the infliction of intense pain". If you don't see waterboarding as torture I don't know what to tell you. I based my opinion on the concepts of human rights and how I would want an enemy to treat me or American soldiers if the roles were reversed. Not really complicated.
 
#93
#93
CSVol said:
You were cool with the NVA torturing POW's? The Japanese? Or just when we do it. I'm sure from their viewpoint Americans were killing innocents.
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Dude, we're fighting chicken shi! mf'ers who hide amongst the population. Just like in nam. If I have to punch a bastard terrorist in the face to get some information, so be it.

Once he gives me what I want to know, I punch him the the face again, because he's a bastard terrorist. What exactly is your point?
 
#94
#94
Nothing wrong w torturing some terrorist SOBs. I say let them read gsvol posts all day everyday
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#95
#95
7thgroupvolfan said:
Dude, we're fighting chicken shi! mf'ers who hide amongst the population. Just like in nam. If I have to punch a bastard terrorist in the face to get some information, so be it.

Once he gives me what I want to know, I punch him the the face again, because he's a bastard terrorist. What exactly is your point?
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My point is that it's either right or wrong no matter what the situation. I personally believe it's wrong. What's different in your example than the ones in mine?
 
#96
#96
CSVol said:
What was referred to in the example? The question was "Are you for or against our gov't using methods of torture against suspected terrorists?" Torture is "the infliction of intense pain". If you don't see waterboarding as torture I don't know what to tell you. I based my opinion on the concepts of human rights and how I would want an enemy to treat me or American soldiers if the roles were reversed. Not really complicated.
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Well the enemy doesn't care about your thoughts on humanity. He only wants to kill you and every American he can get his booger infested paws on.
 
#97
#97
CSVol said:
My point is that it's either right or wrong no matter what the situation. I personally believe it's wrong. What's different in your example than the ones in mine?
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The difference is I'm going back to that shi! hole of a country again soon. I guess I'll see you over there maybe?
 
#98
#98
CSVol said:
My point is that it's either right or wrong no matter what the situation. I personally believe it's wrong. What's different in your example than the ones in mine?
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Wow...sounds like a moralist....what does your tagline say again?
 
#99
#99
7thgroupvolfan said:
The difference is I'm going back to that shi! hole of a country again soon. I guess I'll see you over there maybe?
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No, you won't. I truly appreciate what you do and wish you a safe return.

Lexvol said:
Wow...sounds like a moralist....what does your tagline say again?
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No moralist just see the USA as better than the animals we are currently engaging. I would be a hypocrite if I said it was ok for us to torture but not everybody else.
 
#100
#100
CSVol said:
No, you won't. I truly appreciate what you do and wish you a safe return.



No moralist just see the USA as better than the animals we are currently engaging. I would be a hypocrite if I said it was ok for us to torture but not everybody else.
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Funny....your absolute tone sounded really familiar to that which you seem to despise. Amazing how that happens.
 
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