TP/GOP rift widens

[lawgator1]

wasn't perot kind of odd with a really high pitched whiny sort of voice and an somewhat effeminate manner that, like the TP now, insists on fiscal reform? And didn't Clinton balance the budget notwithstanding the fact that Perot tried to convince us it could never be done with tax hikes and without cuts to social programs?

fyp

 

[volfanjustin]

Country currently rallying around Obama after the birther nonsense put to rest and getting OBL. If unemployment continues to dip, he'll be impossible to beat and will drag the House along with him, especially if the TP are off in a corner by themselves demanding GOP establishment gut Medicare or SS.

I would guess most of the country does not care about the "birther" issue. And this bounce from OBL will not last, it will go away. You do realize that the unemployment rate is 9% and if you factor in the ones who have given up on looking it's higher than that. When obama was elected gas was $1.84ish and now it's around $4. Very unlikely dems take the House, not only will they not win the House they will lose the Senate.

 

[droski]

fyp

clinton balanced the budget because he had the benefit of the greatest job bubble in US history and the temporary social security surplus. he still spent more money than the president before him.

 

[volinbham]

you considered perot far right?

that's what I was thinking when I read that - no way Perot was far right.

 

[volinbham]

Country currently rallying around Obama after the birther nonsense put to rest and getting OBL. If unemployment continues to dip, he'll be impossible to beat and will drag the House along with him, especially if the TP are off in a corner by themselves demanding GOP establishment gut Medicare or SS.

Unemployment went up - not sure how that counts as a continued dip.

 

[rjd970]

Reid came back to Boehner statement on cutting billions to start with/include oil company subsidies. They didn't say "No way" to SS and medicare.

In all likelihood, that was a political move, but, it may be a way to get things moving as well. The correct response from the GOP to this should be, "OK, we want x% cut from medicare". It seems to me, if the GOP were serious about cutting entitlement programs, they would throw a bone and end subsidies for oil companies. They do away with subsidies for hated oil companies (centrists) while shoring up the base with entitlement reform (righties). That is how you win elections.

 

[sjt18]

Bachman would be a disaster as would Blackburn. Too conservative for the mainstream

Not really. If you separate the policy points from the caricatures of these people created by the left and the media... they line up very well.

Repeatedly voters say they want spending cuts before more debt or taxes.

Whether you guys like it or not, the views of the Tea Party (again when separated from a demonized image) represent the views of a plurality of Americans... roughly 40%.

To the issue, I think a third party becomes a more distinct possibility with every day that passes. The GOP continues to demonstrate that they are no less a part of a corrupt and corrupting system as the Dems.

 

[sjt18]

Reid came back to Boehner statement on cutting billions to start with/include oil company subsidies. They didn't say "No way" to SS and medicare.

In all likelihood, that was a political move, but, it may be a way to get things moving as well. The correct response from the GOP to this should be, "OK, we want x% cut from medicare". It seems to me, if the GOP were serious about cutting entitlement programs, they would throw a bone and end subsidies for oil companies. They do away with subsidies for hated oil companies (centrists) while shoring up the base with entitlement reform (righties). That is how you win elections.

I absolutely agree that corporate subsidies should be cut not only for oil but other industries as well.

I wouldn't trade for medicare though... I would trade for expansion of domestic oil production, clean coal, and new refineries.

Medicare is a different problem.

 

[sjt18]

Tea Party members have jumped the shark when they think John Boehner is not far enough to the right for them. It's no better than the far left thinking that Obama isn't far enough left.

Radicals from both ends of the spectrum are dangerous and delusional.
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Radicals on the right who happen to number around 40% of the population.... IOW's, mainstream to everyone who isn't on the left.

FWIW, the TP yanked on Boehner's cord because we have been betrayed by the GOP before... recently. They said the right words then proved to be nothing more than liberals moving at a slower pace. There IS NO TRUST for the GOP establishment. They have to earn it.

 

[JayVols]

Radicals on the right who happen to number around 40% of the population.... IOW's, mainstream to everyone who isn't on the left.

FWIW, the TP yanked on Boehner's cord because we have been betrayed by the GOP before... recently. They said the right words then proved to be nothing more than liberals moving at a slower pace. There IS NO TRUST for the GOP establishment. They have to earn it.

I don't buy the 40% number. Sorry, I just don't.

GOP, DNC, TP the abbreviations don't matter. They are politicians. They don't deserve anyone's trust. The long termers are self-serving, and the new ones will become self-serving if they weren't when they went in office. They are like drug addicts. Once they experience the 'high' of power, all they care about is perpetuating that high. They will do or say MOST ANYTHING to maintain their fix. They care nothing about you or me. They say things that make us think that, but all we are are means to an end for them.
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