TP may well have cost the GOP a US Senate seat in Florida

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To give a little background, the current Florida governor is Charlie Crist. He is a moderate Republican, took stimulus funds from Obama, and has left the far right of the party a number of times over the last 6 months or so.

The former Speaker of the Florida House is a young and up and coming and very conservative fellow named Marco Rubio. Rubio has been a TP posterboy, speaking at even some of their non-Florida events.

Well, both were running for a vacant seat coming up in the Senate from Florida. Crist led Rubio in the GOP primary at the beginning of the year, and by a huge margin. But since then, with all of the TP nonsense, Rubio blew past Crist and successfully labeled him as tolerant of Obama. So Rubio led Crist by 30 points in the GOP primary.

As a consequence, Crist last week announced that he was dropping out of the GOP primary, but has filed to run for governor as an independent.

In a three way race between Rubio, Crist, and the likely Democratic candidate Kendrick Meek, Crist has a 6 point edge.

After Crist announced his plans to run as an independent, the GOP disavowed him and heartily criticized him. GOP members are not allowed to endorse Crist and the party is demanding all of its supporting funds back.

But Crist has been around a long time. He has plenty of money and lots of friends. The irony is that by pushing him out of the way for the TPer, Rubio, the GOP may well find itself with Crist in the Senate and he would have been a good and loyal Republican, but now he'll screw them over.



Poll gives Charlie Crist 6-point lead over Rubio - OrlandoSentinel.com
 
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if he was such a "good and loyal R" why didn't he take his defeat in the primary and endorse the party's choice?
 
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utvolpj said:
if he was such a "good and loyal R" why didn't he take his defeat in the primary and endorse the party's choice?
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He'd have been loyal out of his own political self interest. He was on McCain's short list.

But now the bridge has been burned, in both directions.
 
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I read a bit on what he stands for and the guy is as useful as Pelosi or Reid IMO. The R's made the right decision but I fear the voters in FL aren't that bright
 
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The tea party had nothing to do with it. Crist has never been a conservative republican and his veto of the teachers bill validated this. My democratic friends love him, republicans hate him....everybody knew he would go independent.
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crazyguy said:
The tea party had nothing to do with it. Crist has never been a conservative republican and his veto of the teachers bill validated this. My democratic friends love him, republicans hate him....everybody knew he would go independent.
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No, just 4 or 5 months ago he was a shoe in for the GOP nomination. But the TPers pushed Rubio in, and him out.

If Crist pulls this off -- and it is by no means a foregone conclusion that he will -- then it is a major black eye for the GOP and a HUGE one for the TP.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No, just 4 or 5 months ago he was a shoe in for the GOP nomination. But the TPers pushed Rubio in, and him out.

If Crist pulls this off -- and it is by no means a foregone conclusion that he will -- then it is a major black eye for the GOP and a HUGE one for the TP.
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How so? It's a black eye to a Democrat perhaps.
 
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I saw the debate on Fox Sunday between Crist and Rubio and Crist was not at all impressive as a politician nor did he display much smarts.
 
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volsforever27 said:
How so? It's a black eye to a Democrat perhaps.
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It would be evidence of:

1) the general electorate's rejection of the harsh rhetoric of the TP;

2) the general electorate's continued desire to see people in Congress that are moderate, as opposed to extremist;

3) that while you think that Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, and Palin are popular or reflect the sentiments of a broad base of people, the reality is that what they have behind them is a small base of just very loud people.
 
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volinbham said:
I saw the debate on Fox Sunday between Crist and Rubio and Crist was not at all impressive as a politician nor did he display much smarts.
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That's because he is being cornered by Rubio on freaking Fox. That's like having Reagan debate Carter in a room full of hippies and Moore asking the questions. Reagan wouldn't do to well, either.
 
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lawgator1 said:
then it is a major black eye for the GOP and a HUGE one for the TP.
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not really. Even if they lose they exposed one more Repub who wasn't interested in anything they stood for other than getting elected. Getting rid of the crap can only help
 
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lawgator1 said:
It would be evidence of:

1) the general electorate's rejection of the harsh rhetoric of the TP;

no it isn't in the least. It's about his moderate views appealing more now that he lost the (R), but it makes no sense.

2) the general electorate's continued desire to see people in Congress that are moderate, as opposed to extremist;

That's not true either. The electorate swing today is about who does a better job of buying votes. The idealogues aren't changing how they vote.

3) that while you think that Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, and Palin are popular or reflect the sentiments of a broad base of people, the reality is that what they have behind them is a small base of just very loud people.
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Your last point is just one of your typical reaches. You're using interim polling data to make more of your Joe Six assumptions again and it looks absurd.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That's because he is being cornered by Rubio on freaking Fox. That's like having Reagan debate Carter in a room full of hippies and Moore asking the questions. Reagan wouldn't do to well, either.
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There was no debate setting on earth that made Carter look good. Reagan creamed him at every turn and that was when the entire press was hard left.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That's because he is being cornered by Rubio on freaking Fox. That's like having Reagan debate Carter in a room full of hippies and Moore asking the questions. Reagan wouldn't do to well, either.
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Dream on - I listened to the content of his points. There was little there.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It would be evidence of:

1) the general electorate's rejection of the harsh rhetoric of the TP;

2) the general electorate's continued desire to see people in Congress that are moderate, as opposed to extremist;

3) that while you think that Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, and Palin are popular or reflect the sentiments of a broad base of people, the reality is that what they have behind them is a small base of just very loud people.
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Replace general electorate with liberals, and I may agree with you. Like it or not, there's a huge anti-government sentiment right now, and that hurts the D's more than the R's, simply cause they're in power if nothing else. Be prepared to see the backlash come November.

Most Americans are for small government and were against Obamacare. Sorry to break this shocking news to you, but the Tea Party isn't the problem.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No, just 4 or 5 months ago he was a shoe in for the GOP nomination. But the TPers pushed Rubio in, and him out.

If Crist pulls this off -- and it is by no means a foregone conclusion that he will -- then it is a major black eye for the GOP and a HUGE one for the TP.
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I still don't see how this has anything to do with the tea party...I'm just pissed he's running as an independent which kills any shot of a real independent running.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That's because he is being cornered by Rubio on freaking Fox. That's like having Reagan debate Carter in a room full of hippies and Moore asking the questions. Reagan wouldn't do to well, either.
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Crist is a RINO at best, conservatives like myself have never cared for him. He clearly cares more about himself than his state, that is why he left the R ticket and became an Independent. I am glad to see the R maybe getting back to their conservative roots. Crist is in the same mold as Graham, Collins, Snow and McCain, I wish they all would leave the party.
 
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