True or Conspiracy? You decide

[BigALWiLson]

Oh, the same people that have failed to pay attention and reiterate to their teams that defensive clapping is a point of emphasis this year, and still act shocked when it's called are the experts in rule applications now?

We have a lot to clean up in our own house with penalties. I believe most of our infractions are what they are. However when you watch the same game, there are two sides. When it is called one way for one team and completely or incompetently missed on another that is a problem. Especially when they are looking right at an obvious choke hold for instance. The officials suck. Call it training, biased or down right paid off. The fact of the matter is they ***** suck

 

[rickyyrs]

Alabama and LSU game, the LSU QB made a big run. At the ends of it the Bama DB grabbed him my the back above his name on his jersey and threw him down Should of been a horse collar. Refs standing in back grown (you could see him on TV) nothing called. Even the announcers said it should of been called.

 

[jarnol32]

The moon landing happened, there are no aliens in Roswell, and SEC refs are too incompetent to rig an entire conference. Good lord guys.

They lost the technology to get to the moon… smdh

 

[VaBornVol]

Whether the questionable officiating is a conspiracy, favoritism, incompetency, or nothing at all…, it’s working out so that the conference that employs the officials and the conference’s member schools (including those schools on the wrong side of the questionable officiating) will potentially get larger payouts.

Imagine that…

 

[marcusluvsvols]

It's horrifying that the Vols had zero live ball fouls called against their opponents during a 177 minute stretch of SEC football.

It is statistically impossible that happened "naturally."

Facts like this ^^^^ are a beeyatch. It doesn't matter if one "agrees" with facts or not...they are still facts.

180 mins is 3 entire SEC games. So 177 mins is just 3 minutes shy of our 3 SEC foes ALL playing "perfect" games lmao. I played ball thru HS, but was too slow and small to ever play college ball...was a DE thru junior high playing on the Dline, then a safety in HS because I wasnt big enough to get hit by pulling guards all day anymore. I played on the Dline for years and loved it though...and I can tell you this:

There is at least 1 offensive lineman/TE/ back holding on nearly EVERY offensive play. Anytime an Olinemans hands go outside a Dlinemans armpits, or "hooks" them, or in UTs case puts them in rear naked chokes...THAT is holding. There have been many, many blatant holds against UT this year and there are screenshots all over this forum showing them.

Having played safety in HS...there is NO legal contact with a receiver past 5 yards from the LOS. Defensive backs can "jam" a WR in the first 5 yards when playing tight man coverage (we almost never, ever do this at UT right now. I guess we just arent good enough 1 on 1 currently to play "press man" coverages) AFTER those 5 yards by rule a DB cannot TOUCH a WR after 5yds UNLESS their head is turned around tracking an incoming ball, and the DB is making a play on the ball same as the WR and incidentally (and not EARLY) makes contact with the WR while attempting to get the ball. This is the way were taught the rules anyway...but bama DBs wrapped their hands around our WR waists ALL GAME LONG with 1 arm especially on ANY crossing routes, and used their OTHER arms to grab at the biceps/elbows of the WR...they did this over and over and over and never once got called for PI despite using BOTH ARMS to interfere from whistle to whistle.

Everyone here is welcome to their own opinions, but i stand by the FACTS. I invite anyone here mocking fellow UT fans to watch the bama game again....with your focus on the bama Olinemen and Dbacks cheating their asses off as i took the time to describe in detail above. The mechanics of their players...who are obviously coached to do this...are plainly obvious to anyone who has played enough ball to know the ins and outs. My concern is that we are at a distinct disadvantage if we cannot or do not start playing the way bama etc do....and we are flat screwed if we have to beat 11 men and 4 or 5 refs every time we have a top10 showdown with our rivals...

 

[sjt18]

I cannot tell you exactly why it is happening. Could be anything from gambling on points spreads to simply giving the benefit of the doubt to the "champ" like Ali used to get from boxing judges. He'd have someone beat the crap out of him and he'd get points for "ring generalship".

What I do know is that you cannot watch the officiating in these games and deny a pattern that leads to a particular result.

That result right now is for a one loss Bama team and a undefeated UGA team to play in the CG giving the SEC at least one team in the BCS.

I didn't watch a lot of the Mizzou-UGA game. I watched more of the Bama-LSU game. Once again, timely flags for Bama. Once again their DBs hanging on opposing receivers throughout their route and through the catch attempt with NO calls.

If you want to claim that it is unintentional subconscious bias then that at least accounts for the facts. But to claim that biased officiating isn't occurring with respect to UGA but especially Bama is to be detached from reality,


PS- I've never been a "classic" Vol fan I guess because I hate UF far more than Bama. That said... the BAMA hate is growing on me.

 

[iBleedOrangeWhite]

Tennessee will get no consequential calls vs. Missouri. It will give Missouri more than an edge heading into the crucial moments of the game vs. the Vols. The system is set up to do its best to make sure the Vols are feeling low about playing Georgia. That would seal Georgia getting into the SEC and the big game. It can be overcome with dynamic football, but the Missouri game will be a game where the Vols have to beat the refs on steroids.

If Georgia beats ole Miss this weekend, what we do against mizzou won’t matter. We do play mizzou before Georgia plays ole Miss though, so I could see the calls going heavily against us just in case Lane is finally able to breakthrough and gets a big win for ole Miss. If we beat mizzou and ole Miss upsets Georgia, look out baby, cause the vols might be strolling into Atlanta come December.

 

[iBleedOrangeWhite]

I cannot tell you exactly why it is happening. Could be anything from gambling on points spreads to simply giving the benefit of the doubt to the "champ" like Ali used to get from boxing judges. He'd have someone beat the crap out of him and he'd get points for "ring generalship".

What I do know is that you cannot watch the officiating in these games and deny a pattern that leads to a particular result.

That result right now is for a one loss Bama team and a undefeated UGA team to play in the CG giving the SEC at least one team in the BCS.

I didn't watch a lot of the Mizzou-UGA game. I watched more of the Bama-LSU game. Once again, timely flags for Bama. Once again their DBs hanging on opposing receivers throughout their route and through the catch attempt with NO calls.

If you want to claim that it is unintentional subconscious bias then that at least accounts for the facts. But to claim that biased officiating isn't occurring with respect to UGA but especially Bama is to be detached from reality,


PS- I've never been a "classic" Vol fan I guess because I hate UF far more than Bama. That said... the BAMA hate is growing on me.

Right, you’d think the officiating office would at least notice the suspiciously odd trend, and emphasize to the crew assigned our remaining games to be vigilant that the games are being called evenly. But, we just came up snake eyes for the 3 roll in a row and if it happens again then bad luck begins to turn into circumstantial evidence against those crooked bastards.

Part of me wonders if this has anything to do with the ole Miss game a few years back with the throwing stuff onto the fields/at the refs as they left and our less than cordial relationship with the officials throughout the years.

 

[GVol1966]

Tennessee probably brings more cash to the SEC championship and it’s all about money, so I’m calling no conspiracy, just poorly trained refs. IMO

They don’t bring cash if they don’t make it!
And it ain’t about the SEC championship game.
SEC didn’t get 2 teams in the playoffs last year and are still pissed about it.

Best chance for it to happen this year is for UGA and Bama to continue to win.

 

[WillieT]

You're all blaming the referees! It's not them. It's who signs their paycheck! Period!

 

[marcusluvsvols]

I cannot tell you exactly why it is happening. Could be anything from gambling on points spreads to simply giving the benefit of the doubt to the "champ" like Ali used to get from boxing judges. He'd have someone beat the crap out of him and he'd get points for "ring generalship".

What I do know is that you cannot watch the officiating in these games and deny a pattern that leads to a particular result.

That result right now is for a one loss Bama team and a undefeated UGA team to play in the CG giving the SEC at least one team in the BCS.

I didn't watch a lot of the Mizzou-UGA game. I watched more of the Bama-LSU game. Once again, timely flags for Bama. Once again their DBs hanging on opposing receivers throughout their route and through the catch attempt with NO calls.

If you want to claim that it is unintentional subconscious bias then that at least accounts for the facts. But to claim that biased officiating isn't occurring with respect to UGA but especially Bama is to be detached from reality,


PS- I've never been a "classic" Vol fan I guess because I hate UF far more than Bama. That said... the BAMA hate is growing on me.

I agree with all of this. Also hate the gators more than any team on Earth and will until i die. We are probably about the same age...i was 21 in 1998 when we won it all. So Spurrier and team nearly ruined my teenage life for Petes sake. I was sitting behind the endzone with my Dad (RIP Pop) for the Jabar Gaffney NO CATCH that cost us another Chip.

We have gotten absolutely jobbed this season by the refs especially in our 2 losses...but what is equally concerning is the bad calls against AP this season IN Neyland too. I am starting to think that the refs hate our tempo which ruins their day every single game because it puts so much pressure on them to do their jobs in 17 seconds instead of 45 seconds between snaps. I kinda understand...if i had to perform my job at 3x normal speed every time i worked for a certain client...with ZERO extra pay, praise, or any other reward to offset the incredible stress of going 3x normal speed (in front of 100k people who hate me) then I would certainly HATE working for that client. HATE IT. Yet here we are ...we are gonna keep spreading them out to the sidelines and playing at warp speed as long as we have this great coaching staff.

Somethings got to "give". We are gonna run this fast tempo...and we need refs to call a fair game for both teams. That CLEARLY is not happening this season at all. Yet CJH and our AD are apparently too scared to really raise Cain about it like Saban would....at least in public. The game tape does not lie..and some of these "no calls" on our opponents are very blatant. Somethings got to give or we will not be ALLOWED to beat bama or uga. Much like BC and Duke were NOT allowed to beat an FSU team they dominated from the 1st whistle. It seems that the fix is in for the SEC, ACC, and B1G leaders and has been all season.

 

[GVol1966]

You say, ignoring every call over the years that's been awful against Bama.

You see and pay attention to what you want to see/pay attention to. Stupid stuff like that happens for and to every team.

Yeah Bama’s had between 5-14 penalties every game this year.

Except for that one game against UT when they had 1.??

 

[chatt.vol]

Facts like this ^^^^ are a beeyatch. It doesn't matter if one "agrees" with facts or not...they are still facts.

180 mins is 3 entire SEC games. So 177 mins is just 3 minutes shy of our 3 SEC foes ALL playing "perfect" games lmao. I played ball thru HS, but was too slow and small to ever play college ball...was a DE thru junior high playing on the Dline, then a safety in HS because I wasnt big enough to get hit by pulling guards all day anymore. I played on the Dline for years and loved it though...and I can tell you this:

There is at least 1 offensive lineman/TE/ back holding on nearly EVERY offensive play. Anytime an Olinemans hands go outside a Dlinemans armpits, or "hooks" them, or in UTs case puts them in rear naked chokes...THAT is holding. There have been many, many blatant holds against UT this year and there are screenshots all over this forum showing them.

Having played safety in HS...there is NO legal contact with a receiver past 5 yards from the LOS. Defensive backs can "jam" a WR in the first 5 yards when playing tight man coverage (we almost never, ever do this at UT right now. I guess we just arent good enough 1 on 1 currently to play "press man" coverages) AFTER those 5 yards by rule a DB cannot TOUCH a WR after 5yds UNLESS their head is turned around tracking an incoming ball, and the DB is making a play on the ball same as the WR and incidentally (and not EARLY) makes contact with the WR while attempting to get the ball. This is the way were taught the rules anyway...but bama DBs wrapped their hands around our WR waists ALL GAME LONG with 1 arm especially on ANY crossing routes, and used their OTHER arms to grab at the biceps/elbows of the WR...they did this over and over and over and never once got called for PI despite using BOTH ARMS to interfere from whistle to whistle.

Everyone here is welcome to their own opinions, but i stand by the FACTS. I invite anyone here mocking fellow UT fans to watch the bama game again....with your focus on the bama Olinemen and Dbacks cheating their asses off as i took the time to describe in detail above. The mechanics of their players...who are obviously coached to do this...are plainly obvious to anyone who has played enough ball to know the ins and outs. My concern is that we are at a distinct disadvantage if we cannot or do not start playing the way bama etc do....and we are flat screwed if we have to beat 11 men and 4 or 5 refs every time we have a top10 showdown with our rivals...

The 5 yard rule is only in the NFL. In college the rule is the dbs can touch the receiver anywhere on the field unless the ball is in the air.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Yeah Bama’s had between 5-14 penalties every game this year.

Except for that one game against UT when they had 1.??

And the 1 penalty they called on Bama should NOT have been a dead ball penalty. They bailed Bama out because the center had snapped the ball early and it was laying next to the QBs right ankle on the grass. Worst case for UT right there was a sack and loss of 5 yards and down...theres a GOOD chance we recovered that ball before the QB could pick it up and tuck it in with both arms as a 260lb DE like Pearce with super quickness was headed straight for him on both sides of our Dline. So the 1 penalty they called on Bama in the ENTIRE GAME was to bail them out in the 2nd half so they could come from behind and beat our beloved VOLS. Complete BS on that call...and we should be livid about that just as much as the No calls bama was given all game long.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

The 5 yard rule is only in the NFL. In college the rule is the dbs can touch the receiver anywhere on the field unless the ball is in the air.

Thanks man. I did not know that. Unfortunately for us though, bama DBs still put 1 arm around our WRs waists and grabbed their upper arms with the OTHER hand on many, many passes with the ball actually in the air. It was bad man.

Knowing what you said though....Martinez better get our DBs cheating like our SEC opponents have mostly been. Do like UF and Bama both do and just cheat on every defensive snap knowing that the refs will not call it all night....right?? The problem thus far has been that the refs tolerate very little contact from the orange jerseys...and have a clear double standard. I dont know what we can do ...hopefully CJH and the AD can figure it out .

 

[Titans4Vols]

Yeah Bama’s had between 5-14 penalties every game this year.

Except for that one game against UT when they had 1.??

Yeah, how about that game last year where they had like 67 penalties against us?

 

[I4Vols]

Regarding the impact of officiating oddities - For those of you who are convinced absolutely nothing is amiss and that money & making the playoffs doesn't matter to the $EC (and other leagues)... I can only deduce you believe Michigan, in their most recent scandal, did no wrong trying to impact games, Harbaugh is an angel, and the Big10 & NCAA will sort it out quickly and fairly.

Get real, way too much money and power at stake.
But, when it comes to the Michigan situation, I really feel bad for Cleveland State... and they don't even have a football team

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Alabama and LSU game, the LSU QB made a big run. At the ends of it the Bama DB grabbed him my the back above his name on his jersey and threw him down Should of been a horse collar. Refs standing in back grown (you could see him on TV) nothing called. Even the announcers said it should of been called.

And if the Bama homer (Danielson) said that, it must have been obvious. I was supporting Danielson earlier in the year, but his kneeling at the Gump altar in this game made it unwatchable for me.

 

[GVol1966]

Yeah, how about that game last year where they had like 67 penalties against us?

I believe you missed count.
They had 14 against A&M this year too.

You don’t see the big picture huh?
Last year we had as good a chance to get in the playoffs as they did at the time we played them.

There’s the most suspicious evidence.
They’ve been pretty undisciplined the last couple of years and have been drawn a lot of flags.

The outlier is the perfect game ( that they got down 20-7 ) and the questionable flags that went against their opponents that undeniably helped them get back in the game.

 

[Randall Stephens]

I like to think the powers-that-be who run conferences like the SEC understand that if the public ceases to view their league as fair competition, it will kill the good that lays the golden egg.

I just don’t believe the SEC will lie, cheat and steal for a Georgia/Alabama SECCG, but MLB gets stuck with a Texas/Arizona World Series?

These leagues know that if the public stops trusting the fairness of the games, they become like professional wrestling, and the trust will NEVER return.

Leagues like the SEC should guard the integrity of the competition above all else if they want to continue making enormous sums of money, and they know it.

 

[adam.vol]

I think the SEC office should be moved from Birmingham, ALABAMA to a non SEC state like Virginia/North Carolina. Close to the conference foot print but neutral.

Move it to Nashville along with the SEC Championship game.

 

[whobethis16]

We have a lot to clean up in our own house with penalties. I believe most of our infractions are what they are. However when you watch the same game, there are two sides. When it is called one way for one team and completely or incompetently missed on another that is a problem. Especially when they are looking right at an obvious choke hold for instance. The officials suck. Call it training, biased or down right paid off. The fact of the matter is they ***** suck

Then I'm sure we can see you going out there and doing better, right? Awfully quick to say they suck, but not quick to show them how it's done, right?

 

[whobethis16]

Move it to Nashville along with the SEC Championship game.

Case in point of not caring about biases when it benefits you.

 

[BigALWiLson]

Then I'm sure we can see you going out there and doing better, right? Awfully quick to say they suck, but not quick to show them how it's done, right?

It's not my damn profession. But hell yes im physically capable of seeing the calls, running around and blowing a ***** whistle lol. I wouldn't necessarily want to call a UT game since that's who I am a fan of. I'm sure it would take some training like most professions.

 

[adam.vol]

Case in point of not caring about biases when it benefits you.

I’ve been to a Music City Bowl or two.. Nice try