Trump Supporters Gathering in D.C. - Mayor Readies for Those ‘Seeking Confrontation’

[Y9 Vol]

It's the nut cases who have justified that. The stolen election, Q morons.

Karen

 

[hog88]

I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Doesn't seem that confusing. I bolded some highlights for you.

No member is obligated to obey illegal orders and I think the vast majority would consider opening up on civilians an illegal order.

 

[tnmarktx]

 

[tnmarktx]

 

[n_huffhines]

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[evillawyer]

 

[LouderVol]

WTF?
Did you misunderstand? Because of a rigged election is why we're in this situation. You think it takes 5x the troops we have in Afghanistan and Iraq to swear in such a popular candidate?

And the military, particularly the NG, was involved in the election? Otherwise why the connection?

They are there because there is a threat. One that has been acted upon already. In a violent, lethal fashion.

 

[Y9 Vol]

And, just like that, it is OK to have walls.

 

[LouderVol]

Luther, why would you think the government is deploying 25k troops to our nation's capitol? I've been around a long time and I've never seen anything like this. Are those troops there to protect Americans or protect against Americans?

The Capitol has never been stormed before either. The right escalated with deadly violence. That calls for some level of protection. 25k is the result.

If you dont like the results go after the cause. The deadly riots that happened a week ago with the expressed goal of stopping the event that now has 25k guards.

Yall have your sequences backwards to get worked up.

 

[LouderVol]

No member is obligated to obey illegal orders and I think the vast majority would consider opening up on civilians an illegal order.

What part of the Kent State shooting gave you that impression?

 

[Y9 Vol]

What part of the Kent State shooting gave you that impression?

That was just for fun.

 

[hog88]

What part of the Kent State shooting gave you that impression?

The late 60s and 70's military, particularly the NG was terribly trained. It was almost criminal in how poorly soldiers were trained and led back then. I hope to goodness that isn't the case with our military now.

 

[dovervolz]

Sorry, your precious BLM own some responsibility for capitol violence.

No way in he!! will you get Luther to admit to that

 

[LouderVol]

The late 60s and 70's military, particularly the NG was terribly trained. It was almost criminal in how poorly soldiers were trained and led back then. I hope to goodness that isn't the case with our military now.

one would hope. But I wouldnt put too much hope into it.

 

[hog88]

one would hope. But I wouldnt put too much hope into it.

I have faith in the NCOs.

 

[PointGuard]

This is the problem...Whos "right"?

Not you and all those who think the election was stolen

Especially not those who based on being brainwashed committed sedition

"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" Voltaire

 

[AM64]

That is why they are getting "vetted"
The question of "Did you vote for Trump" was probably the extent of the vetting process.

Can loyalty oaths be far behind?

 

[n_huffhines]

No better than the people barking about millionaire athletes being oppressed. You and VolFanJussie deserve each other @GSD82

 

[dovervolz]

The next time the White man will possibly feel what its like to receive the same treatment as a black man. Especially since sedition is a far more serious act than protesting the murder of your race at the hands of a few rogue cops

You are such a racist

 

[AM64]

The late 60s and 70's military, particularly the NG was terribly trained. It was almost criminal in how poorly soldiers were trained and led back then. I hope to goodness that isn't the case with our military now.

And at that time it was home for people who didn't want to be called "draft dodger" but definitely didn't want to wind up in Viet Nam. I had Infantry AIT at Ft Dix because I had been selected for OCS - two groups went through AIT at Ft Dix - NG and people who were selected of OCS and would get a repeat elsewhere. The NG guys were just there marking time and getting through - I doubt they learned much of anything. I spent an afternoon on the range firing what was called a bazooka in WW2 because there was x amount of ammunition that had to be fired and the NG guys never even went out on the range - off the transport bringing us in and directly on the ones taking us out. Could have been fun, but the weapons and ammunition were old, and you had repeated misfires It was really a pain in the butt because the M20 or whatever it was called was very uncomfortable to fire.

 

[AM64]

I have faith in the NCOs.

My dad told me that before I went into the Army, but the "leadership" I saw in the late 60s NCO corps was pretty bad. BTW something you might get a kick out of. My dad enlisted in the KS NG I think in 1940 (perhaps 39), and it was a cavalry unit ... with horses. Later the NG was nationalized, and it took a lot of work but he did eventually make his way out of the Army into Aviation Cadets and on to being a fighter pilot in Europe in 1944. So his military career started as a cavalry trooper on horses and ended flying F101s

 

[hog88]

My dad told me that before I went into the Army, but the "leadership" I saw in the late 60s NCO corps was pretty bad. BTW something you might get a kick out of. My dad enlisted in the KS NG I think in 1940 (perhaps 39), and it was a cavalry unit ... with horses. Later the NG was nationalized, and it took a lot of work but he did eventually make his way out of the Army into Aviation Cadets and on to being a fighter pilot in Europe in 1944. So his military career started as a cavalry trooper on horses and ended flying F101s

That's pretty cool.

I've read several books about the post WWII Army and in short it was a cluster **** of piss poor leadership. What has really surprised me is how bad Eisenhower treated the Army once he became President.

 

[AM64]

That's pretty cool.

I've read several books about the post WWII Army and in short it was a cluster **** of piss poor leadership. What has really surprised me is how bad Eisenhower treated the Army once he became President.

Leading the Way:How Vietnam Veterans Rebuilt the U.S. Military by Al Santoli is pretty good if you haven't read it. I just finished We Were Soldiers Once… And Young by Hal Moore, so obviously some units in the Viet Nam era did have good NCO and officer leadership, but some of it in other units was pretty bad.

 

[hog88]

Leading the Way:How Vietnam Veterans Rebuilt the U.S. Military by Al Santoli is pretty good if you haven't read it. I just finished We Were Soldiers Once… And Young by Hal Moore, so obviously some units in the Viet Nam era did have good NCO and officer leadership, but some of it in other units was pretty bad.

I've read Moore's book, great read and he was a great combat leader but was still using the last wars tactics to fight the Vietnam War.

The movie didn't do the book any justice.

 

[VolStrom]

Leading the Way:How Vietnam Veterans Rebuilt the U.S. Military by Al Santoli is pretty good if you haven't read it. I just finished We Were Soldiers Once… And Young by Hal Moore, so obviously some units in the Viet Nam era did have good NCO and officer leadership, but some of it in other units was pretty bad.

I'm sure you've seen the movie that Mel Gibson starred in that was based off of that book, if not you should watch it. It was an exercise in how to take a hill and leave it behind.
It was no surprise when my dad came back from Vietnam in 1969 after a year he told my brother to join the AirForce to have a better chance at staying alive.