Trump Will Destroy Children's Lives Just For a Political Jab

[n_huffhines]

Capitalism's failure was well before FDR and his policies cannot be classified as entirely socialist or capitalist. Capitalism, businesses, flourished under the New Deal.

Idk where to start.

Let's just say FDR told an all-time lie when he called Hoover "do-nothing" and then we had b2b depressions bc FDR's solutions were so swell.

 

[vols40]

Union membership fell because of:

1) corruption and criminal activity and letting the Mafia dominate finances
2) typical socialist way of hindering individual freedom by "requiring" dues and forcing people to vote and spend money towards things they didn't want to

The decay of society is because the decline of unions. Lol

 

[0nelilreb]

Anyone who considers the Great Depression to be a failure of capitalism or the new deal to have been a positive for the economy; has no understanding of capitalism, the new deal, economics, or the Great Depression.

Please don’t stop , you have no idea how much I’ve enjoyed this . I can’t wait for Micks version of LBJs New Society when you two get to that one .

 

[AshG]

Former teacher here from when the lunch requirements originally changed under Obama.

The greens were a little greener and they found a way to make mostly tasteless food into largely tasteless food. Our cafeteria's ranch dressing consumption shot through the roof as the kids coated almost everything with it just to make it edible.

But the core of the meal was still an issue: tons of cheap carbs that burn off quickly and leave kids out of it by the end of the day. Want to fix school lunches? Complex carbs and greater amounts of protein. Spread digestion and absorption out over a longer period. You'll see fewer discipline issues that way, and likely greater student attention in class.

 

[Mick]

Idk where to start.

Let's just say FDR told an all-time lie when he called Hoover "do-nothing" and then we had b2b depressions bc FDR's solutions were so swell.

Despite an undeserved, fallacious, but enduring reputation as a do-nothing who simply accepted the Depression as an unpleasant fact of economic life that simply must be endured, President Hoover did try to end the Great Depression and, in fact, probably did more to deal with it than any preceding president had ever done in time of economic catastrophe. Hoover applied a conservative business-oriented approach that stressed voluntary efforts by Americans rather than governmental interference in the economy. What he tried was unsuccessful and sometimes poorly handled and out of this grew his public reputation.
Having taken at least partial credit for the economic boom of the Twenties when he campaigned for the presidency in 1928, Hoover had trouble personally accepting the end of the boom or fathoming just how bad the crash and Depression would be. He, however, was not alone in this. Hoover initially felt that the Depression was a temporary aberration in the economic cycle caused more by psychological fears than economic realities. Therefore, President Hoover responded to the crash of the stock market and the beginning of the Depression by counseling confidence....as long as Americans didn't let panic cause them to take intemperate and unwarranted action, the country would witness a brief and limited recession and then resume its economic boom. Confidence was the key.
The President waged a campaign to convince businessmen to keep wages up so that consumption levels would not decline. This approach was less than successful. While businessmen maintained wage levels temporarily, they cut back on the number of their employees because of dropping consumption levels. Hoover also failed in his confidence campaign to convince consumers to keep purchasing. Seeing other workers laid off and fearing for their own future, laborers cut back on purchases thus guaranteeing further layoffs.

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Hoover's confidence campaign, while well intentioned, simply did not work. The economy continued its downward spiral - workers cut back on consumption, more workers were laid off, workers cut back further on consumption, etc., etc.
In order to understand Hoover's long-term reaction to and efforts to end the Great Depression, one must understand Hoover's idea of "Progressivism" - with which he consciously identified. President Hoover felt that while government intervention in the private sector was sometimes necessary in the modern industrial era, such intervention should be kept to an absolute minimum. This philosophy was a curious cross between the "old" and the "new". As Robert McElvaine puts it: "What Herbert Hoover was grappling with was one of the fundamental problems of the twentieth century: how to apply our Jeffersonian heritage in a highly concentrated, urban industrial setting". "His ideal remained people ruling themselves, through voluntary cooperation".
President Hoover felt the key to economic recovery was restoring the confidence of the business community in the economy of the United States. Only if businessmen reinvested their capital in the economy would the country be able to recover. Therefore, he pursued for three plus years a conservative business-oriented approach to recovery.
austincc.edu/lpatrick/his2341/tragic.html

 

[midnight orange]

Despite an undeserved, fallacious, but enduring reputation as a do-nothing who simply accepted the Depression as an unpleasant fact of economic life that simply must be endured, President Hoover did try to end the Great Depression and, in fact, probably did more to deal with it than any preceding president had ever done in time of economic catastrophe. Hoover applied a conservative business-oriented approach that stressed voluntary efforts by Americans rather than governmental interference in the economy. What he tried was unsuccessful and sometimes poorly handled and out of this grew his public reputation.
Having taken at least partial credit for the economic boom of the Twenties when he campaigned for the presidency in 1928, Hoover had trouble personally accepting the end of the boom or fathoming just how bad the crash and Depression would be. He, however, was not alone in this. Hoover initially felt that the Depression was a temporary aberration in the economic cycle caused more by psychological fears than economic realities. Therefore, President Hoover responded to the crash of the stock market and the beginning of the Depression by counseling confidence....as long as Americans didn't let panic cause them to take intemperate and unwarranted action, the country would witness a brief and limited recession and then resume its economic boom. Confidence was the key.
The President waged a campaign to convince businessmen to keep wages up so that consumption levels would not decline. This approach was less than successful. While businessmen maintained wage levels temporarily, they cut back on the number of their employees because of dropping consumption levels. Hoover also failed in his confidence campaign to convince consumers to keep purchasing. Seeing other workers laid off and fearing for their own future, laborers cut back on purchases thus guaranteeing further layoffs.

​

Hoover's confidence campaign, while well intentioned, simply did not work. The economy continued its downward spiral - workers cut back on consumption, more workers were laid off, workers cut back further on consumption, etc., etc.
In order to understand Hoover's long-term reaction to and efforts to end the Great Depression, one must understand Hoover's idea of "Progressivism" - with which he consciously identified. President Hoover felt that while government intervention in the private sector was sometimes necessary in the modern industrial era, such intervention should be kept to an absolute minimum. This philosophy was a curious cross between the "old" and the "new". As Robert McElvaine puts it: "What Herbert Hoover was grappling with was one of the fundamental problems of the twentieth century: how to apply our Jeffersonian heritage in a highly concentrated, urban industrial setting". "His ideal remained people ruling themselves, through voluntary cooperation".
President Hoover felt the key to economic recovery was restoring the confidence of the business community in the economy of the United States. Only if businessmen reinvested their capital in the economy would the country be able to recover. Therefore, he pursued for three plus years a conservative business-oriented approach to recovery.
austincc.edu/lpatrick/his2341/tragic.html

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Hazlitt's Economics in One Lesson (1946): An Aging Friend's Long-Overdue Assessment | Gary North

 

[Orange defense]

Seriously! This piece of s*** human being literally has no limits.

The Trump administration announced Friday that it plans to roll back school lunch regulations that produced healthier meals for students to allow schools "more flexibility" in what they serve “because they know their children best.”
Trump admin. to roll back school lunch regulations on fruits and vegetables

You mean just like we’re all going to die when he was elected? When all of the stars in Hollywood threaten to leave the country for good, because we were going to die. Or, like when I went to school back in the 80’s, and the food in the cafeteria destroyed all of my classmates? Yeppersall of that food I ate at school, has really destroyed my life, and I’m still kicking it today.

 

[AshG]

One of the things that annoyed me, living in East TN generally and Jefferson County specifically, was the lack of involvement of local farms in the school lunches. The bid out contracts just wouldn't allow it, and with smaller counties like Jefferson and Grainger in buying cooperatives with Knox County, we had to go with what Knox wanted.

I listened for years as Jefferson County farming families lamented smaller orders and smaller operations (well, the ones I was related to any the ones related to my fellow teachers). Right there in the school cafeterias was the perfect place to make financial and longitudinal headway.

I would have flipped for a week where it was corn from the Scarlett farms, milk from the Stooksberries, lettuce from Talbot or White Pine, etc. And think of the thrill for the kids, knowing their lunches came from less than 30 minutes away - seed to table.

But I'm an old country boy who thinks that's how things should work when possible. The county told me it would be too expensive to implement. Made me sad.

 

[LouderVol]

One of the things that annoyed me, living in East TN generally and Jefferson County specifically, was the lack of involvement of local farms in the school lunches. The bid out contracts just wouldn't allow it, and with smaller counties like Jefferson and Grainger in buying cooperatives with Knox County, we had to go with what Knox wanted.

I listened for years as Jefferson County farming families lamented smaller orders and smaller operations (well, the ones I was related to any the ones related to my fellow teachers). Right there in the school cafeterias was the perfect place to make financial and longitudinal headway.

I would have flipped for a week where it was corn from the Scarlett farms, milk from the Stooksberries, lettuce from Talbot or White Pine, etc. And think of the thrill for the kids, knowing their lunches came from less than 30 minutes away - seed to table.

But I'm an old country boy who thinks that's how things should work when possible. The county told me it would be too expensive to implement. Made me sad.

What's the phrase? thinking globally, acting locally. Something like that. Huge dividends are there for the taking. If you are on the green side it reduces emissions and demands on centralized systems, it also reduces demands from places where some food doesnt grow so well. If you want healthy food, local fresh stuff is far better. If you dont like big gov it emphasizes local involvement, and keeps money local.