turning the corner

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#26
fade route said:
There has never been more message board negativity around the program than in the last few years and yet Butch signed a top 5 class last year.........how did that happen?
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Because he managed to find 30 players that not only could play football but DIDN'T have access to the Internet. Amazing!
 
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oldfartvol said:
Negavols are a relatively small, but active, portion of the VN base.

The surefire way to spot a negavol is when they call someone a "sunshine pumper" or "sunshine sheep". They hate optimism.

Negavols are like beggarlice, they serve no useful purpose whatsoever.

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Their main characteristic is defending rival fans or programs when something bad is said about that fan or program by a Vol fan.

There's a ton of those morons around here. They're all a joke.
 
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Hey i have turned a corner you #(*#%&()#_!#)$#&*%#*(&#)^#()&#%#)%%#)#*%#!!!!!!!!

Yes thats one word, try to guess what it is you @!(*#)!_##(%&#*@!_##&%*(#&@@_@!!!!
 
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Every SEC team and all the big programs have fan bases and message boards just like this one. It's big time football and most players understand that if they aren't performing to expectations there will be complaints. On the other hand, if you're a great player you will have streets/babies/etc named after you. That's never going to change as long as the fans actually care.
 
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joevol33 said:
I've read a lot of articles and comments here over the past year about this team starting to "turn the corner", and get back to what Tennessee football should be. I'd like to see our fan base start turning that corner a lot more. I understand how frustrating it has been, but to say "I'm a Vols fan", and bash the players the way some do isn't right. I've seen countless times about how players and recruits read volnation, and I'd just like them to see a fan base that supports them. Call me a sunshine pumper, or whatever, I just believe its easier for a kid to give his all for Tennessee when he knows Tennessee has his back.
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In other words you are suggesting to lie to the recruits? The recruits want to get an accurate sense of the fan base, not one that has been sanitized for their consumption. Certainly when games don't go as predicted by the fan base, comments will come out on how so-and-so did in that game. And it won't be sanitized either.
 
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Exfix said:
Every SEC team and all the big programs have fan bases and message boards just like this one. It's big time football and most players understand that if they aren't performing to expectations there will be complaints. On the other hand, if you're a great player you will have streets/babies/etc named after you. That's never going to change as long as the fans actually care.
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This 100%. If Bammer only wins 9 games this season, I guarantee you mattresses will be burning on their boards.

Regardless of all the success they've had in recent years, there will be a portion of their fan base that will be calling for Nicky's head on a platter if they don't make the playoffs. It's just reality.

God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy.

EDIT: not only will they bash coaches, but I'd bet my house that players would be the target of the ire as well ("That new QB sucks, he's worthless, send him back Tallahassee", etc.)
 
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fade route said:
There has never been more message board negativity around the program than in the last few years and yet Butch signed a top 5 class last year.........how did that happen?
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fade route said:
There has never been more message board negativity around the program than in the last few years and yet Butch signed a top 5 class last year.........how did that happen?
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Bull crap. This is the most positive this message board has been in years. It was certainly worse when Fulmer left, and much worse when Kiffin left, and also worse the whole time Dooley was here!

Not to mention the following might have been a factor as well...

  • a large number of legacy recruits
  • a large amount of in state talent
  • some of the best facilities available
  • playing in one of the best stadiums and overall environments in CFB
  • playing in the SEC - the best conference in CFB
  • recognizing a great opportunity to play early
  • recognizing a team that is on the upswing

... and these are just a few that come to mind.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Bull crap. This is the most positive this message board has been in years. It was certainly worse when Fulmer left, and much worse when Kiffin left, and also worse the whole time Dooley was here!

Not to mention the following might have been a factor as well...

  • a large number of legacy recruits
  • a large amount of in state talent
  • some of the best facilities available
  • playing in one of the best stadiums and overall environments in CFB
  • playing in the SEC - the best conference in CFB
  • recognizing a great opportunity to play early
  • recognizing a team that is on the upswing

... and these are just a few that come to mind.
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If this is the most positive VN has been in years then why are we even having this conversation? If what you say is true, then your complaints about negativity is invalid.
 
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#37
#37
win all home games except for bama
lose all away games except for vandy
Bowl games here we come! That's turning the corner in my eyes
 
#38
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fade route said:
If this is the most positive VN has been in years then why are we even having this conversation? If what you say is true, then your complaints about negativity is invalid.
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Partly because you completely quoted me out of context and tried to suggest that I stated our players weren't mentally tough. And also partly because you asked me how it was that Butch was able to recruit a top 5 class... so I answered your question.

Lastly, I haven't "complained" about negativity. I gave some very specific examples to support the OP. If you would like to disagree with those examples then I'd be interested in hearing your perspective. However, you seem more content, for whatever reason, to want to take things out of context.

Question for you... as an athlete or an athletic supporter (pun intended), would you prefer to have fans that disparage athletes while they are struggling and only support them when they are playing well; or to have fans that are either supportive (or even just quiet) while an athlete is struggling and also supportive when they are playing well? It's a simple question.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Partly because you completely quoted me out of context and tried to suggest that I stated our players weren't mentally tough. And also partly because you asked me how it was that Butch was able to recruit a top 5 class... so I answered your question.

Lastly, I haven't "complained" about negativity. I gave some very specific examples to support the OP. If you would like to disagree with those examples then I'd be interested in hearing your perspective. However, you seem more content, for whatever reason, to want to take things out of context.

Question for you... as an athlete or an athletic supporter (pun intended), would you prefer to have fans that disparage athletes while they are struggling and only support them when they are playing well; or to have fans that are either supportive (or even just quiet) while an athlete is struggling and also supportive when they are playing well? It's a simple question.
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I am a supporter of honest debate and opinions, no matter what they be, and I have defended many a player and coach when countless posters were criticizing them. Some people just can't tolerate the truth so they either have 50+ posters on ignore or make up ridiculous notions that message board negativity hurts the program in an effort to shut down honest debate.
 
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fade route said:
I am a supporter of honest debate and opinions, no matter what they be, and I have defended many a player and coach when countless posters were criticizing them. Some people just can't tolerate the truth so they either have 50+ posters on ignore or make up ridiculous notions that message board negativity hurts the program in an effort to shut down honest debate.
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Saying a player sucks when they are in fact playing poorly isn't really much of a debate. I think everyone would agree that JSmith had issues with drops last year. The discussion and point of this thread, however... as I understand it, is why do some fans seemingly "feel the need" to disparage the athletes when they have a bad game.

And btw... thanks for that exceptionally diplomatic, and purely vanilla response to my very simple question. I'm not sure why you chose to completely dodge the question.
 
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#42
I qualify for the loose definition of "sunshine pumper", mainly because I'm all in until our coach proves otherwise...defended CPF way after he lost his edge...was psyched about Kiffin even tho we were getting a bad rep both conference and nationwide...kept waiting for Dooley to make that ONE breakthrough to get us going...very excited about what Butch is doing and have no reason to change my modus operandi...

All that being said...when this board has to kowtow to censoring our statements and opinions in order to avoid potentially offending the delicate sensibilities of recruits and their parents?...we're not Volnation anymore...we're a glorified bulletin board with such mesmerizing topics as DO WE MISS JOHN WARD?? PLEASE BUY OUT SCARY GAMES. WHEN JALEN HURD DIPS BELOW 1500 YARDS IN A SEASON...canwemakehimatightend? and WHY GEORGIA WILL BE NUMBER 1!! :finger3:

Pass. :shakehead:
 
#45
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Saying a player sucks when they are in fact playing poorly isn't really much of a debate. I think everyone would agree that JSmith had issues with drops last year. The discussion and point of this thread, however... as I understand it, is why do some fans seemingly "feel the need" to disparage the athletes when they have a bad game.

And btw... thanks for that exceptionally diplomatic, and purely vanilla response to my very simple question. I'm not sure why you chose to completely dodge the question.
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For the record, I think it's quite ironic that you jumped on this thread to complain about disparaging posts made about players, and then proceeded to engage in name calling in your dialogue with me.
 
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fade route said:
For the record, I think it's quite ironic that you jumped on this thread to complain about disparaging posts made about players, and then proceeded to engage in name calling in your dialogue with me.
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For the record...
  1. I didn't complain about anything... I made a post with specific examples relative to the OP's thread (once again... you just seem to make things up).
  2. Why do you continue to refuse to answer a simple question?

Oh yeah... and please reference the post where I called you a name. It really does seem to be a bad habit you have of just making things up.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
For the record...
  1. I didn't complain about anything... I made a post with specific examples relative to the OP's thread (once again... you just seem to make things up).
  2. Why do you continue to refuse to answer a simple question?

Oh yeah... and please reference the post where I called you a name. It really does seem to be a bad habit you have of just making things up.
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Athletic supporter (pun intended)?
 
#49
#49
joevol33 said:
I've read a lot of articles and comments here over the past year about this team starting to "turn the corner", and get back to what Tennessee football should be. I'd like to see our fan base start turning that corner a lot more. I understand how frustrating it has been, but to say "I'm a Vols fan", and bash the players the way some do isn't right. I've seen countless times about how players and recruits read volnation, and I'd just like them to see a fan base that supports them. Call me a sunshine pumper, or whatever, I just believe its easier for a kid to give his all for Tennessee when he knows Tennessee has his back.
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Becareful, most here don't care for sunshine pumpers. They would rather ridicule players doing something they could never do, than just give them the credit they deserve for playing for the team they support. But then again, it's the internet where everyone is above reproach for their opinions (even if they have no freaking clue as to what they are talking about.) Now please continue to post and the ignore feature is a plus to weed out the nonsense.:whistling:
 
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