Tyler Bray - Kiper / McShay

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I hope Bray comes back for his senior season. I think we're better with him than without him. If he does enter the draft, the best place he could go is Denver. He could sit for a few years behind Peyton and learn how to be a good QB.
 
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Vol16fan said:
LMAO, you guys seriously need to take off the orange tinted glasses. JH and CP couldn't hold Randy, AJ, Julio or anybody else's jock in the NFL right now.

Bray...he can't read a high school D, much less a highly schemed pro D. What team were yall watching this season?
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4th highest scoring offense in the SEC with the 4th hardest sched. Two of the three teams in front of UT, Bama and UGA, had the two easiest sched's in the SEC. We had a really good offense.

No one's saying the JH and CP are as good as Julio and AJ right now. Just that they absolutely have that potential, and could easily get there.
 
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So where does Mcshay or Kiper have Bray going in what round? I dont want to hear where some you think he'll go..LMAO. Where do the so called experts put him at? Has anyone heard?
 
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Bray is a 2nd day project and could fall out of the draft based on interviews. I personally do not think his draft stock improves by coming back. The NFL has developed strategies for avoiding Ryan Leaf type players.

The only team stupid enough to take him any higher is the Raiders.
 
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Tarkus said:
I hope Bray comes back for his senior season. I think we're better with him than without him. If he does enter the draft, the best place he could go is Denver. He could sit for a few years behind Peyton and learn how to be a good QB.
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I have nothing personal against Bray. But please point to a time when Bray came through in the clutch. He chokes under pressure. That more than likely won't change by next fall. I would just as soon not go through another season where he fumbles, throws a pick, gets wild, or otherwise fails with the game on the line.

Worley has the arm that many thought he didn't have. Peterman looks like a fine prospect. The new coach might even bring in someone new.
 
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TreeGreen said:
Tyler would be fine leaving early if he can get on with a team that will allow him to sit behind an already established starter. What he doesn't want is to go to a career killer city like Jacksonville.
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This, exactly. If he gets thrust into a situation where he has to be The Guy from day one, he (and whatever team drafts him) is screwed. If he can spend a couple of years in a top-notch system, he'll be fine.

It's funny that so many of the people who complain the loudest about our coaching situation are also Bray's biggest critics. If our coaches are as bad as you say, why would you be surprised he hasn't progressed more as a player? And conversely, if he gets great coaching at the next level, who's to say it doesn't finally click for him?

It's a risk, for sure, but if I'm an NFL GM who has a great QBs coach, and who doesn't need a rookie to step in right away, I'd be looking long and hard at Tyler Bray. He has too much potential, and his college situation was too screwed up to just ignore him.
 
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volinexile17 said:
4th highest scoring offense in the SEC with the 4th hardest sched. Two of the three teams in front of UT, Bama and UGA, had the two easiest sched's in the SEC. We had a really good offense.

No one's saying the JH and CP are as good as Julio and AJ right now. Just that they absolutely have that potential, and could easily get there.
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I'm not talking about right now. I'm comparing to when those guys were drafted to today's draft status of ours. It's night and day. JH and CP have no business looking into April's draft.

And to use our team stats for the year, that's weak sauce. Padded stats against the powerhouse teams of Georgie St, Akron, Troy, and Mizzu versus what wasn't done against Bama, Miss St, VANDY, and UF prove the point of they AINT ready.
 
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If JH played this year not to get hurt so he could get to the NFL draft, what makes you think he won't play the same way in the NFL in an attempt to maximize his career? And if he wasn't playing that way this year, then what explains his game?

Not sure the scouts will be sold on his game this year and will feel he needs to play another year in college to prove himself and his health/mental state. If he goes pro this year, he is a risk and a lower round pick with good potential but many questions.
 
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1982Alum said:
If JH played this year not to get hurt so he could get to the NFL draft, what makes you think he won't play the same way in the NFL in an attempt to maximize his career? And if he wasn't playing that way this year, then what explains his game?

Not sure the scouts will be sold on his game this year and will feel he needs to play another year in college to prove himself and his health/mental state. If he goes pro this year, he is a risk and a lower round pick with good potential but many questions.
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If he goes pro this year, his draft stock will skyrocket around February 24 into the upper 1st round
 
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duuuuuuuuuuuuude said:
It's a risk, for sure, but if I'm an NFL GM who has a great QBs coach, and who doesn't need a rookie to step in right away, I'd be looking long and hard at Tyler Bray. He has too much potential, and his college situation was too screwed up to just ignore him.
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What was wrong with his college situation? Room? Board? Books? Neyland Stadium?
 
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PimpVol said:
What was wrong with his college situation? Room? Board? Books? Neyland Stadium?
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Do you think he's had great coaching in his time here? If your son were an NFL prospect QB, would you have chosen Tennessee 2010-12 as the best place for him to develop as a player? All I'm saying is this: He didn't develop as a quarterback the way we all hoped he would. But it's not like he was in an ideal situation, either.

The offense last year was about as inept as any I can remember. And true, that's partially on Bray, but he can't make the OL run-block, or our RBs hit holes. It's tough to develop as a QB when those around you -- generally including the coaching staff -- are derping it up every game, and you're essentially down to one offensive weapon (D.Rogers). Not a good way for a QB to progress.

Our defense this year put him in a position where he had to not only be more or less perfect to win games, but he had to be perfect while being hyper-aggressive as a playmaker. On a play where Matt Barkley sees good coverage downfield and throws it away, Bray generally has to try to make a play, because he knows the defense won't let him live to fight another day. Again, not a good way for a QB to progress.

As for reading coverages and going through progressions, none of us really know why he hasn't progressed as much as we'd hoped. Maybe it's because he's lazy or dumb or a punk or any number of other things he's been called on this board. Or maybe it's because the help he got learning to do those things just wasn't very good. Or both. Or neither. The fact is that I don't know, and neither do you.

I do know that 99.99999% of 20-year old men can't learn to dissect SEC defensive schemes on their own without significant coaching help. Maybe he got great coaching and just didn't absorb it. But maybe -- just maybe -- he wasn't all that well coached. Do you think his career at Tennessee would have been different had Cutcliffe been here? I don't know for sure, but I sure think so.

If I'm an NFL GM, I see an extraordinarily talented young man, on a poorly-coached team, who has somewhat underperformed. We all evaluate risk differently, but if my team has a system in place to develop raw QB talent, it's going to be hard for me to overlook someone with as much raw talent as Bray has, especially if I can get him as a value pick.
 
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The coaching from Chaney has been ok. We got in trouble during games based on in play decisions on the field. Not calls from the coach. I would not say Chaney is the best qb coach ever but he is adequate. Bray absolutely has value to the NFL. Don't think I disputed that. He will get drafted if he leaves. No doubt.
 
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Vol16fan said:
I'm not talking about right now. I'm comparing to when those guys were drafted to today's draft status of ours. It's night and day. JH and CP have no business looking into April's draft.

And to use our team stats for the year, that's weak sauce. Padded stats against the powerhouse teams of Georgie St, Akron, Troy, and Mizzu versus what wasn't done against Bama, Miss St, VANDY, and UF prove the point of they AINT ready.
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I think CP and Hunter both have a good shot at the first round depending on combine and team need.

Also, it's not like Bama and UGA weren't padding their stats against bad teams either.
 
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PimpVol said:
The coaching from Chaney has been ok. We got in trouble during games based on in play decisions on the field. Not calls from the coach. I would not say Chaney is the best qb coach ever but he is adequate. Bray absolutely has value to the NFL. Don't think I disputed that. He will get drafted if he leaves. No doubt.
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Coaches have an impact on that, no?

But yeah, we can hang.
 
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It is not about overall stats. Hunters 70 catch 1000 yard season may be better than any season either of those guys have.
 
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PimpVol said:
Impact? No way in hell Dooley or Chaney told Bray to throw that pick against Vandy. That was simply user error. The players must do it on the field. Coaches do not have a remote controller.

Certainly.
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Not to pick nits, but coaches can (and should) impact whether a junior QB stares a receiver down or looks him off, or whether that receiver runs the right route or breaks the wrong direction -- both of which looked to be very real possibilities on that play.

But now we're just splitting hairs.
 
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Tarkus said:
I hope Bray comes back for his senior season. I think we're better with him than without him. If he does enter the draft, the best place he could go is Denver. He could sit for a few years behind Peyton and learn how to be a good QB.
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Denver seems pretty high on Osweiller, but it could happen. Been hearing that Mallet may not be Brady's successor in New England, and if any organization can get this guy on track it is the Patriots
 
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Will be interesting how CP does at the combine.If staying focussed is problem they look at he might be in trouble. Tremendous skills but there is more than that in the NFL
 
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A 1st round pick in the NFL is one the team thinks will step right in and start for the next 5-10 years as soon as he gets to training camp. Granted all 1st roundes don't do that and some fail miserably. While all the UT prospects have talent, I don't see any of them stepping right in and starting. Hunter is closest but hs last year was really marginal at times. Great speed, good moves but hands and durability are suspect. He can do all the combine stuff great but at the end of the day, he has some fairly big questions still not answered. My guess is early to mid 2nd round for him. Some team needing a #2 or #3 WR to compliment another #1 WR they already have.
 
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FEAR is the problem Hunter has now.

Physically Hunter is back to 100% but his biggest hurdle is MENTAL and the absolute FEAR that he's going to get hurt again.

The fear of getting hurt again is actually very normal after something as bad as a ACL tear, the intense pain and many months of rehab to get back on the field.

Most players can come back and do well but alot of times the players can never get over the mental fear of injury to where they can again play with the reckless abandon and 100% confidence they must have.

The mental hump is much tougher for many people to get over than the actual injury is and the neverending fear has killed alot of football careers.

Unless Hunter can get past the mental fear problem than he may never become a great NFL player that most of believe he has the talent to become.

Coming back for another year and proving that he's past the mental fear aspect with a great college season next year could move him way up the NFL draft charts and earn him many Millions more on his 1st NFL contract.

Coming out now could hurt him more than anyone expects because every drop he made that should have been an easy catch will count against him on draft day.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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orangebloodgmc said:
That is a puzzler. In past seasons I thought of him as sure-handed, but this year, too many times he just wasn't. Since we know he is capable of being that, it has to be some kind of lack of focus/concentration thing. The right Mr. Miyagi mentor could put him right back on to it.
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Baggett>>>>>>>Hinshaw.

One guy coached Chris Carter, Randy Moss, and Antonio Freeman. The other spent most of his career to this point at MTSU and Memphis.

The NFL will teach Hunter to catch the ball at the highest point and to soften his hands a little and Hunter will explode by Year 3 IMO. That's when most WR really take off in the NFL.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
Baggett>>>>>>>Hinshaw.

One guy coached Chris Carter, Randy Moss, and Antonio Freeman. The other spent most of his career to this point at MTSU and Memphis.

The NFL will teach Hunter to catch the ball at the highest point and to soften his hands a little and Hunter will explode by Year 3 IMO. That's when most WR really take off in the NFL.
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Myth. More WRs blow up in their second year.
 
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