U.S.A. To Go Bankrupt Without Obamacare

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BigPapaVol said:
What is the best plan? Go to whatever hack liberal blog you use and bring back the beat plan. Hopefully you'll add back the free lunch option.
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Not sure what the best plan is. But ill take obamacare over the current system of overcharging people for healthcare and then denying their claims when they actually need it. I've seen it first hand and it BS. The health insurance companies make car insurance companies look like genius saints. Too much profits being made from people dying.the majority of american people have health insurance so if the current system was working then public outcry to keep it would be far to much to even get obama care in the house. Changes need to be made maybe not exactly what is being proposed but the caring,healing, and lives of people in america shouldn't be a way for businessmen to get filthy rich
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you sound like the people crucifying the oil companies. I've asked before but do you know the profit margin of these insurance companies? I mean their spread must be huge if all these people are dying like you say
 
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utvolpj said:
you sound like the people crucifying the oil companies. I've asked before but do you know the profit margin of these insurance companies? I mean their spread must be huge if all these people are dying like you say
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and sounds like BHO and all the "fat cat" talk.......funny thing is, almost every person on his cabinet and high ranking staff ARE the banking and wall street "fat cats"
 
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utvolpj said:
you sound like the people crucifying the oil companies. I've asked before but do you know the profit margin of these insurance companies? I mean their spread must be huge if all these people are dying like you say
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well this is one of thousands of stories

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marian-wright-edelman/insurance-ceos-get-rich-w_b_201473.html. Check out sick for profit.com as well but I'm sure you republicans will just say that its a dems propaganda site.who here agrees with the seperation of church and state? What about the first amendment? My point is if the american health care system worked and the public was happy with it we wouldn't even be having this discussion. What we need is a bipartisan effort to fix this mess and offer the american people something fair and effective. This isn't putting gas in your car, this is dealing with the quality of peoples lives and as we all know you only get one
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VOLS INC. said:
My point is if the american health care system worked and the public was happy with it we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
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the majority are happy with it. The Dems have been wanting to do this for years.

Poll: Health care costs too expensive, Americans say - CNN.com

More than eight in 10 Americans questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Thursday said they're satisfied with the quality of health care they receive.
And nearly three out of four said they're happy with their overall health care coverage.
But satisfaction drops to 52 percent when it comes to the amount people pay for their health care, and more than three out of four are dissatisfied with the total cost of health care in the United States.
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seems pricing is the issue but it is with everything. Don't need to spend trillions to fix that.

Of course people could make better choices with their money but personal responsibility has never been part of the Dem platform
 
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utvolpj said:
Of course people could make better choices with their money but personal responsibility has never been part of the Dem platform
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"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will
grow up around them, will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
Thomas Jefferson

I talked with one of the heirs of the family that owns significant shares the Federal Reserve (that ownership is private and has always been secret, issuance of any new stock was cut off in 1914), looking for a $50 to $100 million investment, he spent quite a while giving me a detailed map of who to contact and what hoops to jump through to accomplish my goal but he had all his own money tied up in three investments, hospitals, health insurance and HMOs, he knew what was coming down. (and really I don't think of him as a bad guy, he has done plenty of good stuff in his life, I know that to be a fact.)

Obama is no champion of the poor as he portays himself, he is merely a puppet of the wealthy as is the whole of the democrat party contrary to popular opinion.
 
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VOLS INC. said:
Not sure what the best plan is. But ill take obamacare over the current system of overcharging people for healthcare and then denying their claims when they actually need it. I've seen it first hand and it BS. The health insurance companies make car insurance companies look like genius saints. Too much profits being made from people dying.the majority of american people have health insurance so if the current system was working then public outcry to keep it would be far to much to even get obama care in the house. Changes need to be made maybe not exactly what is being proposed but the caring,healing, and lives of people in america shouldn't be a way for businessmen to get filthy rich
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The majority of America does not want this bill, and for good reason.

Its another step toward crushing the freedom of capitalism, and putting the government in control of even more of my life.

I'll pass, like majority of the country would.
 
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VOLS INC. said:
Not sure what the best plan is. But ill take obamacare over the current system of overcharging people for healthcare and then denying their claims when they actually need it. I've seen it first hand and it BS. The health insurance companies make car insurance companies look like genius saints. Too much profits being made from people dying.the majority of american people have health insurance so if the current system was working then public outcry to keep it would be far to much to even get obama care in the house. Changes need to be made maybe not exactly what is being proposed but the caring,healing, and lives of people in america shouldn't be a way for businessmen to get filthy rich
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Insurance companies have a very small profit margin, but why are libs so against people making money? I want everyone in this country to make as much money as they can. Where are all of these people who are dying because they don't have health insurance? No one dies due to not having health ins. anyone can go to a emergency room and get cared for. Obamacare is a socialist if not communist takeover of more of our economy
 
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volfanjustin said:
Insurance companies have a very small profit margin, but why are libs so against people making money? I want everyone in this country to make as much money as they can. Where are all of these people who are dying because they don't have health insurance? No one dies due to not having health ins. anyone can go to a emergency room and get cared for. Obamacare is a socialist if not communist takeover of more of our economy
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This is part of the problem, and probably part of the reason why greater than 80% of americans in the poll utvolpj posted were happy with their care. IMO, this shouldn't even be argued because it is a mute point. It's aiken to saying, "the system is fine because nobody goes without when they really need it", yet costs continue to rise and people are still having to choose between bankruptcy and healthcare.
 
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rjd970 said:
This is part of the problem, and probably part of the reason why greater than 80% of americans in the poll utvolpj posted were happy with their care. IMO, this shouldn't even be argued because it is a mute point. It's aiken to saying, "the system is fine because nobody goes without when they really need it", yet costs continue to rise and people are still having to choose between bankruptcy and healthcare.
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I agree it is part of the problem but some try to use the arguement that people are dying in the streets from not being able to get coverage, this is false.
 
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