U.S. Has UFOs of 'Non-Human Origin', Ex-Intelligence Officer Claims

[turbovol]

Why?

Is the God of the Bible not described as the Alpha & Omega? The creator of the Heavens and the Earth? All things everywhere at once?

Or did you just wanna take a shot at those people you don’t like?

Let's be candid: The bible is man-written fiction.

 

[Zues1]

Na

I can come out now and admit it. I was abducted and probed by aliens back in 79.

Nah, that was the shop teacher..Rohypnol will do that.

 

[MercyPercy]

If it’s the stuff I’ve heard, Bob actually addressed much of that in what seemed like a legitimate fashion. For example the claims he never worked at Los Alamos (I think that was the name of it) seem to be false. He made video refuting that claim where he walks in with a camera man, the security guard there knew him, Lazar was able to show people around the facility in a manner consistent with some who had been there before, and seemed to know some of the people there.

I’ve seen claims about his academic credentials being fake. If he really worked at Los Alamos, I think that helps strengthen his claim of his academic credentials. And it does seem obvious he has a strong grasp of physics.

One thing Rogan claimed that I disagreed with was “Bob Lazar was telling people about element x (115 I think) years before it was discovered”. To Rogan that was miraculously but anyone who knows any level of Chem understands you can just take the largest known element and add a proton to it and all of a sudden you’ve “predicted” there is an element x+1. But to be fair to Bob I’ve never heard try to present his knowledge of this element as something that he couldn’t have known, the way Rogan did

It's all very murky at the very least. I think if you review all the sources provided the easy conclusion is that he at the very least misrepresented, if not lied about, his education and work history. Fake w2, the company he started that didn't do anything, making who knows how much money selling gift shop items and speaking appearances, the random brothel stuff. If it was just one thing, sure, but there's quite a lot of smoke here to not be a little fire. Just does not seem to be a super trustworthy source.

 

[AirVol]

Thought now they are referred to as UAP’s. Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon.

 

[hog88]

I think most people will say "cool" and go about their business.

I think as usual you are wrong.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Let's be candid: The bible is man-written fiction.

 

[85SugarVol]

Let's be candid: The bible is man-written fiction.

More shots at those people you don’t like.

But your personal beliefs on the Bible are irrelevant here.

@lawgator1 said if aliens proved true it would “wreak havoc” with humanity’s religious institutions. A statement about the implications on their beliefs.

Your beliefs are of no consequence.

 

[Sea Ray]

If it’s the stuff I’ve heard, Bob actually addressed much of that in what seemed like a legitimate fashion. For example the claims he never worked at Los Alamos (I think that was the name of it) seem to be false. He made video refuting that claim where he walks in with a camera man, the security guard there knew him, Lazar was able to show people around the facility in a manner consistent with some who had been there before, and seemed to know some of the people there.

I’ve seen claims about his academic credentials being fake. If he really worked at Los Alamos, I think that helps strengthen his claim of his academic credentials. And it does seem obvious he has a strong grasp of physics.

One thing Rogan claimed that I disagreed with was “Bob Lazar was telling people about element x (115 I think) years before it was discovered”. To Rogan that was miraculously but anyone who knows any level of Chem understands you can just take the largest known element and add a proton to it and all of a sudden you’ve “predicted” there is an element x+1. But to be fair to Bob I’ve never heard try to present his knowledge of this element as something that he couldn’t have known, the way Rogan did

So what did Lazar say about Element 115 that you disagree with?

 

[Vol8188]

So what did Lazar say about Element 115 that you disagree with?

My issue wasn’t with anything I’ve heard Bob say about it. It was only with how Rogan presented it. In Rogan’s mind him talking about a then previously unknown element was amazing. But like I said, they’re named by protons, so if there’s an element x there’s very likely to be an x+1 found later.

So no issue with Lazar or Rogan really. I just think Rogan lacked understanding of basic chem which lead him to believe Lazar even mentioning this element was miraculous

Sorry if that wasn’t clear the first time. I see I had a few typos in the message you were responding to

 

[Septic]

 

[Vol8188]

Let's be candid: The bible is man-written fiction.

If so, the amount of nonsense you most, that basically makes you a modern Moses.

 

[lawgator1]

More shots at those people you don’t like.

But your personal beliefs on the Bible are irrelevant here.

@lawgator1 said if aliens proved true it would “wreak havoc” with humanity’s religious institutions. A statement about the implications on their beliefs.

Your beliefs are of no consequence.

My point is that such a development would cause a lot of people to question a lot of the assumptions, even if not expressly stated, that seem to underpin many religions, not just Christianity (though that is the one with which I am most familiar, personally).

Seems to me that each of the major religions has as a fundamental tenet that "God" is an entity which in some respect mirrors humanity (or vice versa).

 

[Sea Ray]

My issue wasn’t with anything I’ve heard Bob say about it. It was only with how Rogan presented it. In Rogan’s mind him talking about a then previously unknown element was amazing. But like I said, they’re named by protons, so if there’s an element x there’s very likely to be an x+1 found later.

So no issue with Lazar or Rogan really. I just think Rogan lacked understanding of basic chem which lead him to believe Lazar even mentioning this element was miraculous

Sorry if that wasn’t clear the first time. I see I had a few typos in the message you were responding to

Of course it's possible for other elements to exist but Element 115 in the state that Lazar described still doesn't exist here on earth. We can only get it to exist for a fraction of a second 'cause it's so unstable. When Lazar intimated that he might have a chunk of this somewhere, the FEDs raided his lab and home in 24 hrs. Why would they do that if it doesn't exist?

 

[VolStrom]

In this day and age of high resolution video and cameras, why are the only pictures I've ever seen of the "so called" alien spacecraft look like something from an early 1980's black and white video game on a worn out 1960's CRT?

 

[85SugarVol]

My point is that such a development would cause a lot of people to question a lot of the assumptions, even if not expressly stated, that seem to underpin many religions, not just Christianity (though that is the one with which I am most familiar, personally).

Seems to me that each of the major religions has as a fundamental tenet that "God" is an entity which in some respect mirrors humanity (or vice versa).

Alien Testament? Mork & Ork?

You just wanted to take a shot at those people you don’t like. You could at least be honest about it.

 

[Vol8188]

Of course it's possible for other elements to exist but Element 115 in the state that Lazar described still doesn't exist here on earth. We can only get it to exist for a fraction of a second 'cause it's so unstable. When Lazar intimated that he might have a chunk of this somewhere, the FEDs raided his lab and home in 24 hrs. Why would they do that if it doesn't exist?

The fact that we haven’t discovered this stable isotope he claims exist, isn’t really a feather in his cap until the isotope itself is discovered.

As to the second part, it does seem like he has an extensive legal history. Is it all made up because he’s being targeted by the government? Possible. But the evidence earlier of possible human trafficking seems more likely

 

[Septic]

In this day and age of high resolution video and cameras, why are the only pictures I've ever seen of the "so called" alien spacecraft look like something from an early 1980's black and white video game on a worn out 1960's CRT?

@SpaceCoastVol you ever see anything that had no earthly business zipp'n round the stratosphere?

 

[C-south]

My point is that such a development would cause a lot of people to question a lot of the assumptions, even if not expressly stated, that seem to underpin many religions, not just Christianity (though that is the one with which I am most familiar, personally).

Seems to me that each of the major religions has as a fundamental tenet that "God" is an entity which in some respect mirrors humanity (or vice versa).

Why does that l have to change if there’s life outside of our own planet?

 

[tvolsfan]

Why does that l have to change if there’s life outside of our own planet?

I guess it just seems like a strange thing for the Bible/Jesus not to address.

 

[hog88]

Why does that l have to change if there’s life outside of our own planet?

I enjoy getting my MIL all in a tizzy with this one:

What if G^d is Captain Kirk and he and his crew seeded the earth with life and humanity as we know it? It would fit a lot of the Old Testament and they have the technology.

 

[865er]

Let's be candid: The bible is man-written fiction.

I always giggle when Bible thumpers deny things like Aliens as being unbelievable.

 

[lawgator1]

Alien Testament? Mork & Ork?

You just wanted to take a shot at those people you don’t like. You could at least be honest about it.

You misread my intentions entirely. I was just having some fun at the absurdity of it all, on a grand scale, and how it would so fundamentally alter things. No insult to anyone or any group was intended.

 

[davethevol]

You misread my intentions entirely. I was just having some fun at the absurdity of it all, on a grand scale, and how it would so fundamentally alter things. No insult to anyone or any group was intended.

You could have just said “nanu nanu.”

 

[lawgator1]

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Of course it's possible for other elements to exist but Element 115 in the state that Lazar described still doesn't exist here on earth. We can only get it to exist for a fraction of a second 'cause it's so unstable. When Lazar intimated that he might have a chunk of this somewhere, the FEDs raided his lab and home in 24 hrs. Why would they do that if it doesn't exist?

I am not even sure we know the Feds raided his home. Lazar is a complete nutjob living in a completely fabricated world.