U.S. Healthcare system ranked 37th in the World (WHO)

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I believe this is what the experts refer to as a complete crock.
 
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oklavol said:
42 million people uninsured while spending 15% of GDP on health care, the most of any nation.

IMO thats the reason why.
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I have no doubt that is what they are looking at.
Don't get me started on this though. :)
 
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hatvol96 said:
If our health care is so bad, why do most world leaders come here for treatment when they are ill?
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I have no doubt that the WHO official in charge of putting this ranking together will be in the U.S. immediately if he needs any sort of cutting edge treatment for an illness.
 
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KentheOrange said:
Then what is the complaint? Are you equating lack of insurance to lack of access?
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The primary complaints I'm aware of:

U.S. is the only industrialized nation in the world without universal health coverage. As already said 42 million uninsured.

it is the most expensive system in the world, again as already said, 15% of GDP the most of any nation in the world
 
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Well.. Canada's ranking is no prize. I thought it would be a lot higher than that.
 
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oklavol said:
the quality is good, but other countries have lower rates of malpractice.
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that's because in a socialized medical system, the doctors are government employees. have you tried suing the government for anything?
 
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GAVol said:
Mostly due to the fact that there's no country on Earth where it's easier to sue somebody.
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Getting back to the rankings, I think the general conclusion was that many other countries are able to provide comparable care as to what is received in the U.S., to all of their citizens, and do it more cost effectively.

While in the U.S., 42 million people dont have insurance, and yet the U.S. still spends a larger % of their GDP on healthcare then these countries do, that provide comparable health care to all their citizens not just to those who can afford it.
 
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Quit beating around the bush. Clearly you want to hand the keys to the health care industry over to the federal government?

There are definitely issues with health care costs, but nationalizing 15% of our economy is not the answer.
 
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GAVol said:
Quit beating around the bush. Clearly you want to hand the keys to the health care industry over to the federal government?
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I don't have the answers, but I think the costs of the healthcare industry is making it difficult to compete economicly. GM estimates for every car it sells $1400 goes to pay for the health insurance of its employees. It impacts America's ability to compete.
 
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GAVol said:
If we started giving it away, you can bet that it would eventually cease to be the best healthcare in the world.
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I don't disagree with your basic point...my more specific point was that the world-class medical care that world leaders travel here for is not necessarily available to many....implying that the many/majority of Americans see a much less capable medical system that results in a lower ranking.

However, that is really just me speculating ... or thinking out loud about why our ranking might be low yet people travel here for its services. I know that there is amazing medical care available in the US. But, it is also another fact that it isn't available to many.
 
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the 42 million uninsured is a load of crap too. A lot of people are uninsured because they choose to be uninsured. Whether for religious reasons or economic (self-insured by way of personal wealth). No one is turned away from the emergency room and every city in America has free clinics and health departments.

Are they the Mayo Clinic? No, they're not. But it's been pointed out before that lack of health insurance does not equate to a lack of access to health care.

edit. and by the way, I'd trust a country doctor in my home town of Tracy City, TN before I'd ever consider seeking health care in France.
 
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Ahh yes.. France. The place where they let Princess Diana die while just sitting around in an ambulance, instead of rushing her to a hospital... in which case she might have lived.
 
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oklavol said:
Getting back to the rankings, I think the general conclusion was that many other countries are able to provide comparable care as to what is received in the U.S., to all of their citizens, and do it more cost effectively.

While in the U.S., 42 million people dont have insurance, and yet the U.S. still spends a larger % of their GDP on healthcare then these countries do, that provide comparable health care to all their citizens not just to those who can afford it.
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this is the biggest fallacy in the whole debate. comparable care can mean a number of things, but reality would suggest that it means less capable, or, IMO, not comparable. that's why those who can afford it, roll their show to the US for serious surgery. Being "comparable" is not a word that should be tossed around when we're talking about Open Heart surgery. WHO can say what they'd like and you can toe the party line regarding the uninsured, but our system generates the best practices and best docs and any schmoe has access.

I had twins born almost 4 months premature and paid enormous money (along with CIGNA) for their NICU stay at a very highly regarded Children's Hospital. The education part for me was the number of uninsured, no income families receiving the exact same level of care that mine received. In fact, the preponderance of those in the NICU for long periods were uninsured. The NICU is some of the most expensive care on earth, and everyone had equal access. IMO, the uninsured problem only applies to preventative care because those uninsured opt for less of it.
 
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oklavol said:
I don't have the answers, but I think the costs of the healthcare industry is making it difficult to compete economicly. GM estimates for every car it sells $1400 goes to pay for the health insurance of its employees. It impacts America's ability to compete.
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this stupidity has nothing to do with the healthcare costs, it has to do with former GM management mortgaging the company's future by bowing to the unions 30 years ago when the market was less competitive. They knew then that healthcare would eventually be the company's undoing, but made the short term decisions to placate folks so they could keep get back to their overpaying jobs and producing third rate vehicles.
 
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