UAW On Strike

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Rasputin_Vol said:
If that was completely true, my neighbor’s two Toyotas should have been on blocks at least once over the past decade. And after hearing a few of those yahoos talking while I was out and about the weekend before, I was surprised at how hardcore and radicalized his co-workers are.

Maybe this is true in Detroit or very true 40 years ago, but not so much now.
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My cousin's husband says he can't park at the jobsite because he drives a Toyota, they will tow him. several of his coworkers/counion have had their tires slashed on various job sites. and he even had someone get in his face about driving a Toyota at all. And this was in Huntsville Alabama. Got two cousins who back up his story, but they drive Fords so its not an issue for them, but they have had to side with him multiple times and he is just a first year apprentice. he said its definitely worse up north, but it exists here in the south too. several of his union mates had to leave the north after the family/house got threatened or attacked. the enforcement is vary much alive and present.
 
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LouderVol said:
My cousin's husband says he can't park at the jobsite because he drives a Toyota, they will tow him. several of his coworkers/counion have had their tires slashed on various job sites. and he even had someone get in his face about driving a Toyota at all. And this was in Huntsville Alabama. Got two cousins who back up his story, but they drive Fords so its not an issue for them, but they have had to side with him multiple times and he is just a first year apprentice. he said its definitely worse up north, but it exists here in the south too. several of his union mates had to leave the north after the family/house got threatened or attacked. the enforcement is vary much alive and present.
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Several years ago the IBEW (I think) parking lot off 153 in Chattanooga had a signs in the parking lot that foreign cars were not allowed. Saw those when I went to a nearby building supply place.
 
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AM64 said:
Several years ago the IBEW (I think) parking lot off 153 in Chattanooga had a signs in the parking lot that foreign cars were not allowed. Saw those when I went to a nearby building supply place.
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A long time friend of the family was a big wig there. He helped put the lights up at Northgate
 
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AM64 said:
Several years ago the IBEW (I think) parking lot off 153 in Chattanooga had a signs in the parking lot that foreign cars were not allowed. Saw those when I went to a nearby building supply place.
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I know plenty of IBEW that drive foreign cars/trucks... and particularly from that local.
 
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turbovol said:
Your comment is not based in reality. If you are a worker in the retail industry--which notoriously underpays and overworks its workers--you get a crappy starting wage---maybe $12/15 an hour now after being stuck around $8/10 an hour for many years. If you a good, dependable employee, you'll get a end-of-year wage--but it will be a paltry one of, say, .30 cents more an hour or somesuch. This is what makes so many wage jobs in America so very crappy. Many big American corporations would rather deal with constant turnover from employees quitting than pay their employees sufficient wages to keep them with the company. Keeping wages and labor costs low is a big feature of corporate capitalism in America: It helps with the stock price, and the stock price helps add millions to executive pay packages. American wage workers have been treated badly for decades--fact.
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This is one of your more laughable responses. Yes, businesses, like yourself and everyone else want to pay as little as possible for anything. Yet when they do it you attempt to paint it as nefarious.

You then have this weird world view where you believe the people working in retail today will be stuck there for life. If you don’t like your wages, it’s on you to change that.

We live in the easiest time ever to find jobs, learn skills, attend classes, etc. If you fail to do that you shouldn’t be rewarded for poverty effort with middle class wages through some union tenure structure.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Does the UPS contract impact the drivers only or the entire company?

The UAW stuff only impacts the plant workers. They want 36% - 45% wage increase over 4 1/2 years. This excludes all employees on the financial services side of these companies. There is no way these companies can explain offering such disparities in packages like 32 hour work weeks to plant employees while financial services divisions get nothing. These are mostly unskilled jobs.
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The 32 hours is another $$ grab. Automakers should agree to it but only pay straight time for all hours worked.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Oh yeah…. Interest rates up… vehicle prices up…. Sales drop and here come the layoffs
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Executives are caving to being forced to re-open plants that their strategy led them to close.

I could write up a thesis on this article alone.

Where do they make up the cost gap? The EV strategy forced on them by government already has them sucking wind. For every unskilled blue collar worker you just got swindled over, there is a white collar skilled worker that will say "up yours" and go someone else. For as many threats as they make, unskilled workers can't do that. Maybe the executives will take a huge pay cut...doubt it.

Notice how after leading these companies to the slaughter house, Fain talked about trying to unionize at non-American car companies. It ain't going to happen. They will pack up and leave. Then the good paying jobs will be gone.

I'm guessing the employee union dues will go up as well.
 
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hog88 said:
Both

Brother in laws dealership in AR is way down in sales, IDK if that’s happening all over the country or not but with interest rates and with what new vehicle costs I would think it is.
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Retail sales are normally the first to notice but they will put cost control measure in place as they've already frozen some spending - as the first slash is G&A. They'll probably back off some advertising or go with less expensive ideas instead of bigger names.

It should be interesting how Ford handles Blue Oval City now. Due to covid and the change in work behaviors, Amazon scrapped it's plans for the 2nd skyscraper in downtown Nashville. They will have to finish it but there is no plans to complete it's infrastructure with employees or furniture.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Unions are outdated...

And I really think they have zero place in government service.
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www.dailywire.com

Gov Unions Spent Over Half A Billion Dollars Backing Democrats, The Left During Midterm Elections: Report | The Daily Wire

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"While it’s no surprise that unions overwhelmingly back Democrats and Democrat causes, Osborne that many union members likely didn’t know how much their dues were being spent on the “pet political projects” of union leaders rather than representation for members.

“What unions often try to hide is the fact that membership dues can also be used for politics,” he said. “The union doesn’t really have to tell membership what it’s [the money] going to go to. Doesn’t have to take a vote on it. By and large, what they do is, take all that money and then shovel a bunch of it over to a super-PAC, sometimes it’s affiliated with the union so that they can do all kinds of political spending that members may never find out about.”

Union members need to remember this the next time they get crappy strike pay.
 
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Good job UAW, you won the battle but as usual will lose the war and cost your membership jobs.

Ford CEO says company will rethink where it builds vehicles in wake of autoworkers strike

This is also news to me, EVs built anywhere in North America are eligible for the $7500 tax credit. WTF would vehicles built in Canada or Mexico be eligible?

A small team within the company is developing the underpinnings of a less costly smaller vehicle, which Farley said would be profitable because of U.S. federal tax credits as high as $7,500 per vehicle.


He gave no timeframe for the small EV to come out, but said Ford’s next generation of electric vehicles would come between 2025 and 2027.

His comments about the union raise questions about whether the new small EV would be built in Mexico, which has lower labor costs. Vehicles built in North America are still eligible for the U.S. tax credit.
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