UConn is such an under appreciated Blue Blood…

#77
#77
05_never_again said:
The tournament itself is a crap shoot. Making it 20 years in a row with no title is more impressive than a team that made it 50% of the time, but won a couple of titles.
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So, 20 years in a row, one and done is impressive?

I don't buy all this blue blood talk anyway. Teams with 4 or more titles with 1st yaer, most recent year:

UCLA (11) 1964, 1995 (29 years since last title)
UK (8) 1958, 2012 (last 4-5 years early exits)
UNC (6) 1957, 2017
UCONN (6) 1999, 2024 (back to back)
IU (5) 1940, 1976
Duke (5) 1991, 2015
KU (4) 1988, 2022

If KU is spoke of as a blue blood, UCONN is other worldly.
Duke is a late comer per terms of a blue blood, as is KU
UCLA hasn't been relevenant, nor IU.


The only real truth in CBB lately is if you want a natty, you'll likely have to knock off a Big East team first.
 
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GVF said:
So, 20 years in a row, one and done is impressive?

I don't buy all this blue blood talk anyway. Teams with 4 or more titles with 1st yaer, most recent year:

UCLA (8) 1964, 1995 (29 years since last title)
UK (8) 1958, 2012 (last 4-5 years early exits)
UNC (6) 1957, 2017
UCONN (6) 1999, 2024 (back to back)
IU (5) 1940, 1976
Duke (5) 1991, 2010
KU (4) 1988, 2022

If KU is spoke of as a blue blood, UCONN is other worldly.
Duke is a late comer per terms of a blue blood.
UCLA hasn't been relevenant, nor IU.


The only real truth in CBB lately is if you want a natty, you'll likely have to knock off a Big East team first.
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Duke’s last title was 2015
 
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#79
#79
NashVol11 said:
The blue bloods are blue bloods because they're consistent and at the top of every single category. UConn is not one of them. Indiana isn't either tbh

Wins
1. Kentucky 2,398
2. Kansas 2,393
3. UNC 2,372
4. Duke 2,300
5. UCLA 2,002

10. Indiana 1,931

23. UConn 1,837

Final Fours
1. UNC 21
2. UCLA 18
3. Duke/Kentucky 17
5. Kansas 15

8. Indiana/Louisville 8
10. UConn 7

Championships
1. UCLA 11
2. Kentucky 8
3. UNC/UConn 6
5. Duke/Indiana 5
7. Kansas 4

Winning Percentage
1. Kentucky .760
2. UNC .734
3. Kansas .728
4. Duke .712
5. UCLA .689

10. Murray State .645
11. UConn .644

20. Indiana .634
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Statistics are multi-purpose. It only took UCONN 7 final fours to get 6 natty's. Took UNC 21 times. UCLA been banging ugly girls for near 30 years. They are irrelevant. UK can no longer get past Round 1. What other school has been to the final four as many times as UCONN the last 24 years since their first natty, and only lost one.


It's all in how you want to dress the pig. The "blue bloods" ain't as relevant as folks would like to say they are.

Don't care for UCONN and don't really watch BB anymore, but facts and stats are facts and stats, and be made to say anything.
 
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#80
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GVF said:
Statistics are multi-purpose. It only took UCONN 7 final fours to get 6 natty's. Took UNC 21 times. UCLA been banging ugly girls for near 30 years. They are irrelevant. UK can no longer get past Round 1. What other school has been to the final four as many times as UCONN the last 24 years since their first natty, and only lost one.


It's all in how you want to dress the pig. The "blue bloods" ain't as relevant as folks would like to say they are.
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Every argument for UConn is just “6 titles!!!!” dressed up as something else lol, including now acting like 7 Final Fours is better than 17 because efficiency or whatever
 
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NashVol11 said:
Every argument for UConn is just “6 titles!!!!” dressed up as something else lol, including now acting like 7 Final Fours is better than 17 because efficiency or whatever
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Winning 6 titles in 7 final fours speaks volumes comapred to 6 titles in 21 final fours. And it hasn't been a flash in the pan. It's been 24 years now and they keep coming. No other team has been that good over that span of time. I'm elated that those schools have 15 and 20 trips to final fours. If they can only explain why they don't have even more titles for that many trips. UCONN's national titles winning percentage per final four appearances is .857. Can you beat that.

So UCLA has 11, 10 under Wooden in a short period of time. Woopie. The only prestigious time of the program lasted not very long.
 
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GVF said:
So, 20 years in a row, one and done is impressive?

I don't buy all this blue blood talk anyway. Teams with 4 or more titles with 1st yaer, most recent year:

UCLA (11) 1964, 1995 (29 years since last title)
UK (8) 1958, 2012 (last 4-5 years early exits)
UNC (6) 1957, 2017
UCONN (6) 1999, 2024 (back to back)
IU (5) 1940, 1976
Duke (5) 1991, 2015
KU (4) 1988, 2022

If KU is spoke of as a blue blood, UCONN is other worldly.
Duke is a late comer per terms of a blue blood, as is KU
UCLA hasn't been relevenant, nor IU.


The only real truth in CBB lately is if you want a natty, you'll likely have to knock off a Big East team first.
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Do you consider Miami more of a blue blood than Tennessee in football? If titles are what matter, then I guess Miami’s 5-2 advantage over Tennessee places them higher on the blue blood totem pole. This despite the fact, that they were pretty much non-existent for the first 5-6 decades of the sport.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Every argument for UConn is just “6 titles!!!!” dressed up as something else lol, including now acting like 7 Final Fours is better than 17 because efficiency or whatever
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It's like when people say going 4-6 in the NBA finals is a knock because you lost on the biggest stage, when what it really means is you have 10 conference championships.
 
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GVF said:
How so. KU first title was 1988. They're not a "blue blood". And they only have 4 overall. How are they truly that much more impressive.
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Here are some other numbers to nosh on:

Total wins
Kansas 2370
UConn 1805

All-time Winning pct
KU. 728
UCONN .648

Final fours
KU 17
UCONN 7

Title game appearances
KU 10
UCONN 6

Elite 8 appearances
KU 23
UCONN 13
 
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GVF said:
How so. KU first title was 1988. They're not a "blue blood". And they only have 4 overall. How are they truly that much more impressive.
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Kansas has like 500+ more wins, 10+ more Final Fours and a much higher winning percentage because they actually consistently win
 
#92
#92
n_huffhines said:
It's like when people say going 4-6 in the NBA finals is a knock because you lost on the biggest stage, when what it really means is you have 10 conference championships.
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I had this same thought reading posts about how 6 titles and 7 Final Fours is better than 6 and 21 lol. The key is apparently to lose earlier to maintain “efficiency”
 
#93
#93
Boston Vol said:
Here are some other numbers to nosh on:

Total wins
Kansas 2370
UConn 1805

All-time Winning pct
KU. 728
UCONN .648

Final fours
KU 17
UCONN 7

Title game appearances
KU 10
UCONN 6

Elite 8 appearances
KU 23
UCONN 13
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Should be pinned
 
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Boston Vol said:
Do you consider Miami more of a blue blood than Tennessee in football? If titles are what matter, then I guess Miami’s 5-2 advantage over Tennessee places them higher on the blue blood totem pole. This despite the fact, that they were pretty much non-existent for the first 5-6 decades of the sport.
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Depends on how you want to define blue bloods. If you go by all time winning percent with 1000 games or more in today's FBS classification, UT is #11. Miami is #14, in 300 less games.

Yes UT has a long history and I'm orange thru and thru, but it's asinine to only have 2 natty's. And the time between Fulmer and Heuple, what would you call UT by comparison. They are #11 all-time wins and winning %. So there's that. Only three consistently good/great coaches in UT history, and Johnny could be on again off again.

Do you want to set a baseline for how many years a school has had a program. Or do you want to consider a teams sustained success over a period of time.

I think most "blue bloods" are just teams that went on strong runs for 10-15 years or so.

But, I think Miami made better use of the time they were relevant, and then they rode off and went to sleep.

And how bout Notre Dame. Historically, maybe #3 or #4 all time win percentage but are they really all that relvant anymore and when was the last time they were.
 
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#95
Boston Vol said:
Here are some other numbers to nosh on:

Total wins
Kansas 2370
UConn 1805

All-time Winning pct
KU. 728
UCONN .648

Final fours
KU 17
UCONN 7

Title game appearances
KU 10
UCONN 6

Elite 8 appearances
KU 23
UCONN 13
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Yet UCONN has 6 titles to KU's 4 with 500 less wins in basically half the appearances in elite 8 or better. And back-to-back at that. And they've only been D1 since the inception of the Big East in the late 70's. Depends on how you want to present the stats. Now compare apples to apples and cut KU down to the same 24 year period as UCONN's run. Or back UCONN's records to 1988 and pick up KU's first title and compare them since. I'm sure the gap would close. Bottom line is UCONN started climbing around 87 including being the only Big East team in the 80's not to make the field. My point all along, is to say UCONN is not a Blue Blood at this point is short sighted.
 
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#97
#97
Boston Vol said:
The stats are pretty clear: historically, Kansas is a better basketball program than UCONN.
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Not arguing that from a total wins angle. And history of the school. UCONN's D1 history only goes to 1979. And had it not been for Calhoun, there likely would never have been a UCONN program to speak of. UCONN is just much better at winning titles per trips made.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Not very close either unless you ask a UConn fan
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Maybe, but with all KU's succes, wins, history, why did it take them 49 years to win the first of only 4 titles since the tourney began in 1939. In 85 years of tourney's they only won 4. In 45 years at D1, UCONN has won 6. All in the last 25. I'm not a basketball junkie. Much less a UCONN one. And I rarely watch a CBB game until the tourney. And even then not many. I'm just debating how you can make stats look. And the fact that UCONN is the elite program over the last 25 yearsand won more titles than all but 3 have won in their entire history.
 
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