UF Spring Game

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RDU VOL#14 said:
I just think that any coach that can get Miss State to that level of play while Bama is in a historic run, Ole Miss was playing very well under Freeze, LSU and Auburn always have talent and A&M had Manziel and tons of great skill guys it’s pretty impressive. I think UF got their guy. Now hopefully we have ours as well and the Big 3 in the East can be competitive year in and year out with the West .
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It’s intersting in that some folks here are holding our program to a higher standard than UT.

On the surface, the only knock(s) on Mullen is he’s not Scott Frost or Chip Kelly...and he never won the SEC West during the most competitive run in that division’s history while at Mississippi State of all places.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
I don’t disagree with any of that, I was countering the lazy take from Otis regarding Dak Prescott.

Outside of Emory Jones, who isn’t ready yet, we don’t have a QB who fits Mullen’s system perfectly. Franks doesn’t have it between the ears to read defenses, and I fear Trask won’t make opposing defenses respect the QB keeping on the read option.
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They don't want too see us get that transfer LW.
 
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johnrlansford said:
Finished 2nd in the SEC West, Highest he finished any othere year was 4th if I am not mistaken.

Great accoplishment for him at MSU but hardly a proven comodity as a head coach. He may be great at Florida but I would pump the brakes a little, I would be saying the same thing if he was at Tennessee.

SEC east champs in 2 years or you may be hiring a new coach in year 3! Just off your track record!
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All RDU said was Mullen is a “good coach”...no need to pump the brakes on that statement, and I disagree that Mullen “isn’t a proven commodity as a head coach”. That’s simply not true.

Given that logic James Franklin wasn’t a proven commodity as a head coach because he never finished better than 4th in the SEC East.

I don’t expect Meyer level results over the next 5-6 years. I also don’t expect to look like monkeys screwing footballs on offense after Year 1.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Until Bama cools off, you can say the same of every program in the SEC, including Georgia.
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No doubt there. I just have (or would have) concerns about his recruiting effort. I know you just pulled in a good class, but UF tends to recruit itself to an extent. He never parlayed that #1 spot or draft picks into a recruiting success. You can say Starkville is a cow town and whatnot, but regardless, a coach can convince a player to come to Death Valley to play for them.

The recruiting playing field in the SEC has evened out over the last few years. If you get a coach who doesn't like recruiting, you are behind the 8 ball from the start.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Yes, that was Emory Jones. He’s got a live arm and looked comfortable running the read option against the scrubs.

Our WR talent appears to be wasted with Franks at QB, ditto for our RB talent and barely average OL.

Mullen has his work cut out for him.
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i thought we were the only ones that were allowed to overreact to a spring game? surely he's sandbagging down there....

tho i did hear that you goy some alumni that looked pretty good.......:p
 
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Grand Vol said:
No doubt there. I just have (or would have) concerns about his recruiting effort. I know you just pulled in a good class, but UF tends to recruit itself to an extent. He never parlayed that #1 spot or draft picks into a recruiting success. You can say Starkville is a cow town and whatnot, but regardless, a coach can convince a player to come to Death Valley to play for them.

The recruiting playing field in the SEC has evened out over the last few years. If you get a coach who doesn't like recruiting, you are behind the 8 ball from the start.
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Death Valley? You mean StarkVegas?
 
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Grand Vol said:
No doubt there. I just have (or would have) concerns about his recruiting effort. I know you just pulled in a good class, but UF tends to recruit itself to an extent. He never parlayed that #1 spot or draft picks into a recruiting success. You can say Starkville is a cow town and whatnot, but regardless, a coach can convince a player to come to Death Valley to play for them.

The recruiting playing field in the SEC has evened out over the last few years. If you get a coach who doesn't like recruiting, you are behind the 8 ball from the start.
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Muschamp loved to recruit, ditto for Zook. They didn't exactly work out for us (although Zook loaded up the cupboard for Meyer).

I get you guys expect us fire our coach if he doesn't win 12 games a year, but we're in a different place now.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Muschamp loved to recruit, ditto for Zook. They didn't exactly work out for us (although Zook loaded up the cupboard for Meyer).

I get you guys expect us fire our coach if he doesn't win 12 games a year, but we're in a different place now.
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Your expectations aren't any different than ours. Double digit wins every seaso, compete for the SEC CG, New Years 6 bowl or better.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i thought we were the only ones that were allowed to overreact to a spring game? surely he's sandbagging down there....

tho i did hear that you goy some alumni that looked pretty good.......:p
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Claiming the Franks is hot garbage is not an overreaction, simply because Franks is hot garbage.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Claiming the Franks is hot garbage is not an overreaction, simply because Franks is hot garbage.
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well, he has that one play, that i wish he could have been hot garbage on. so you got that going for ya.

otherwise, i get the pessimism.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Your expectations aren't any different than ours. Double digit wins every seaso, compete for the SEC CG, New Years 6 bowl or better.
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I missed something in your previous post, but do you think MSU being ranked #1 in 2014 while Mullen was there was supposed to result in some recruiting bonanza in Starkville?
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
I missed something in your previous post, but do you think MSU being ranked #1 in 2014 while Mullen was there was supposed to result in some recruiting bonanza in Starkville?
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Wins on the field should translate into recruiting success. There is obviously more to it, but Moo State has never recruited well under Mullen.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Wins on the field should translate into recruiting success. There is obviously more to it, but Moo State has never recruited well under Mullen.
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relatively speaking, he did elevate MSU's recruiting. back during the search, i went back and checked out MSU's recruiting rankings. and i don't recall right off hand, so going from memory, they were a top 40-50 type program in recruiting the 3 years prior to Mullen, and they immediately moved in to the top 30, and i think wound up over the course of his tenure in the high 20's/low 30's....

nothing that should make anyone stand up and say "wow", but i do think it's a bit erroneous to say "never". i think he he broke in to the top 20 a couple times as well.

now why he never got better...it's all theory. could be he didn't like recruiting all that much, and he didn't really have to excel at it so long has he could go to bowl games and keep the natives happy. could be that it's just hard to sell Starkville over Baton Route, Tuscaloosa, Auburn etc....

either way, he's in another spot, where he really won't have to spend a lot of effort recruiting, b/c intrinsically will be able to get better athletes overall than he could at MSU.

the ? is will that be enough to keep the new natives happy? the expectations are wholly different.

i think Mullen goes from being a 7 win coach at MSU to a 9 win coach at UF. and i think it may have more to do with him being at UF, than UF getting him. i don't know how much Mullen 'elevates' UF. didn't know how much he'd elevate UT had he come here.

i think he's probably better than Mac and Butch. don't know how much better, and if it means all that much to the end result. i think in the end, he's in a better situation personally b/c of familiarity, in state recruiting and aside from GA, being in the East vs. the West.
 
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jakez4ut said:
relatively speaking, he did elevate MSU's recruiting. back during the search, i went back and checked out MSU's recruiting rankings. and i don't recall right off hand, so going from memory, they were a top 40-50 type program in recruiting the 3 years prior to Mullen, and they immediately moved in to the top 30, and i think wound up over the course of his tenure in the high 20's/low 30's....

nothing that should make anyone stand up and say "wow", but i do think it's a bit erroneous to say "never". i think he he broke in to the top 20 a couple times as well.

now why he never got better...it's all theory. could be he didn't like recruiting all that much, and he didn't really have to excel at it so long has he could go to bowl games and keep the natives happy. could be that it's just hard to sell Starkville over Baton Route, Tuscaloosa, Auburn etc....

either way, he's in another spot, where he really won't have to spend a lot of effort recruiting, b/c intrinsically will be able to get better athletes overall than he could at MSU.

the ? is will that be enough to keep the new natives happy? the expectations are wholly different.
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Thanks for researching Jake...as I was scratching my head to figure out who was a better recruiter than Mullen at MSU, without the NCAA sniffing around.

Solid work as always. :thumbsup:
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Thanks for researching Jake...as I was scratching my head to figure out who was a better recruiter than Mullen at MSU, without the NCAA sniffing around.

Solid work as always. :thumbsup:
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well i'm going from memory, and that's risky....:)

my whole thing with mullen is that it's all relative, and that he is likely better than many thought.

i just don't know how much better, and what influence he could/would have on a program like UF or TN, that do expect better than "just going to a bowl".
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Not to mention your uncanny ability to magically show up when I post.

Thoughts and prayers indeed. :)
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Oh you and your “stalking” thing again. :lol: How do you function enough to go to the convenience store to buy lottery tickets? :scare:
 
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