UGA Suspension

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(CSpindizzy @ May 26 said:
Read this story and tell me if this looks to be in line with discipline actions of other schools: AJC.com
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I think that appears to be a reasonable disciplinary decision.
 
#3
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As long as this was his first offense, I think it's fairly reasonable.

 
#4
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I'd like to know his blood alcohol level to be honest.If it's too high, the penalty is too light.
 
#5
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What difference does it make whether he blew a .08 or a .20? He made a dumb mistake and will undoubtedly pay a debt to society AND will miss the first month of the season. Yes it was an incredibly dumb thing to do, but what are we supposed to do, shoot kids when they do something stupid?

 
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(utfantilidie @ May 26 said:
I'd like to know his blood alcohol level to be honest.If it's too high, the penalty is too light.
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Drunk is drunk.
 
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The difference is if the blood alcohol level is within a certain range it can be reduced to a lessor offense.He could have killed someone if he was totally wasted GV!What if your family was driving around at night when he was out at 3 A.M.On top of that he stole a car.On top of that he's a minor.
 
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(utfantilidie @ May 26 said:
The difference is if the blood alcohol level is within a certain range it can be reduced to a lessor offense.He could have killed someone if he was totally wasted GV!What if your family was driving around at night when he was out at 3 A.M.On top of that he stole a car.On top of that he's a minor.
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Thanks . . . and to think all this time I thought it was OK to drink and drive. :rolleyes:

My point is, he's paying a price for his actions. Who's to say whether he deserves a 3 game, 6 game or season long suspension? All you can do is defer to the judgement of the guy who knows the facts and whose job it is to oversee the program. :twocents:

 
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(utfantilidie @ May 26 said:
The difference is if the blood alcohol level is within a certain range it can be reduced to a lessor offense.He could have killed someone if he was totally wasted GV!What if your family was driving around at night when he was out at 3 A.M.On top of that he stole a car.On top of that he's a minor.
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You don't punish people for hypotheticals, you punish them for what actually happened.
 
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(hatvol96 @ May 26 said:
You don't punish people for hypotheticals, you punish them for what actually happened.
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Stealing a car should be a felony and he should be kicked off the team.
 
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(hatvol96 @ May 26 said:
You don't punish people for hypotheticals, you punish them for what actually happened.
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My point is too often the so called "dregs of society" basically get screwed over by the court system because they aren't privleged.Maybe I'm an advocate for them.Years ago I watched older teen lockups on the weekend for 3 months and alot of their parents don't even contact them.All I'm asking is for them to get a fair shake too....Drunk isn't drunk (in Tennessee) according to my criminal attorney friend who was a former policemen, now practicing defense attorney for years.He said if your alcohol content is low enough first offense you can try to get it reduced down to reckless driving instead of DUI.Maybe we are all on a different page here.......Furthermore, I'm not going to try to argue the law with an attorney that doesn'tlike Coach Fulmer and uses words I have to look up too often.
 
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(utfantilidie @ May 26 said:
My point is too often the so called "dregs of society" basically get screwed over by the court system because they aren't privleged.Maybe I'm an advocate for them.Years ago I watched older teen lockups on the weekend for 3 months and alot of their parents don't even contact them.All I'm asking is for them to get a fair shake too....Drunk isn't drunk (in Tennessee) according to my criminal attorney friend who was a former policemen, now practicing defense attorney for years.He said if your alcohol content is low enough first offense you can try to get it reduced down to reckless driving instead of DUI.Maybe we are all on a different page here.......Furthermore, I'm not going to try to argue the law with an attorney that doesn'tlike Coach Fulmer and uses words I have to look up too often.
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Your friend did advise you accurately. DA's offices are more likely to allow some room for plea bargaining if the BAC is low on a 1st offense. However, that's a prosecutorial decision. The law presumes you to be DUI at .08. There is an enhanced punishment at .20, 7 mandatory days to serve instead of 48 hours. I agree with your assesment that the financially distressed in our society often get shortchanged by the judicial system. It's sad, but true. I'm basing my assessment of the situation on my take on the facts. One, it doesn't appear to be a true auto theft. I read it as a situation that would likely fall under the joyriding statute in Tennessee. He got drunk, took his buddy's car, then wrecked it. I think three games makes sense. However, I do think reasonable minds can differ on the issue.
 
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(hatvol96 @ May 26 said:
Your friend did advise you accurately. DA's offices are more likely to allow some room for plea bargaining if the BAC is low on a 1st offense. However, that's a prosecutorial decision. The law presumes you to be DUI at .08. There is an enhanced punishment at .20, 7 mandatory days to serve instead of 48 hours. I agree with your assesment that the financially distressed in our society often get shortchanged by the judicial system. It's sad, but true. I'm basing my assessment of the situation on my take on the facts. One, it doesn't appear to be a true auto theft. I read it as a situation that would likely fall under the joyriding statute in Tennessee. He got drunk, took his buddy's car, then wrecked it. I think three games makes sense. However, I do think reasonable minds can differ on the issue.
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This makes perfect sense to me.Very reasonable answer.
 
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(GAVol @ May 26 said:
Thanks . . . and to think all this time I thought it was OK to drink and drive. :rolleyes:

My point is, he's paying a price for his actions. Who's to say whether he deserves a 3 game, 6 game or season long suspension? All you can do is defer to the judgement of the guy who knows the facts and whose job it is to oversee the program. :twocents:
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I see your point GV.
 
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I figured I'd add this story since we did go down a similar road recently with suspensions, etc. on UT's teams. Just wanted to see if anyone saw tighter or looser standards by another SEC school.
 
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I don't understand how driving drunk and wrecking a car, while underage warrants a 3 game suspension, but Fulmer is too light for the punishments he doles out. We (UT) take a lot of crap for our discipline problems, and everyone says that we should kick off members of our team...but when its themselves, then a slap on the wrist is acceptable. Who do they play in the first 3 games, btw?

3 games seems weak to me, considering that the kid from KY got a 6 game suspension for playing in basketball and getting a small amt of money, and that our player was kicked off for an inappropriate comment.

There needs to be some balance.
 
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I don't know that I see a difference in standards, but Mark Richt definitely is proving to have a teflon quality about him. UGA's discipline record the last couple of years has been as bad or worse than CPF's, but winning has a way of making things OK I guess.
 
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(jwells @ May 26 said:
I don't understand how driving drunk and wrecking a car, while underage warrants a 3 game suspension, but Fulmer is too light for the punishments he doles out. We (UT) take a lot of crap for our discipline problems, and everyone says that we should kick off members of our team...but when its themselves, then a slap on the wrist is acceptable. Who do they play in the first 3 games, btw?

3 games seems weak to me, considering that the kid from KY got a 6 game suspension for playing in basketball and getting a small amt of money, and that our player was kicked off for an inappropriate comment.

There needs to be some balance.
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Ravi Moss was suspended by the NCAA, not Rich Brooks. The inappropriate comment was just the final in a long string of problems with Raymond Henderson.
 
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(GAVol @ May 26 said:
I don't know that I see a difference in standards, but Mark Richt definitely is proving to have a teflon quality about him. UGA's discipline record the last couple of years has been as bad or worse than CPF's, but winning has a way of making things OK I guess.
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Richt should be good at deflecting heat for running a loose ship. He learned from one of the matsters, Pope Bobby of Talahassee.
 
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(hatvol96 @ May 26 said:
Richt should be good at deflecting heat for running a loose ship. He learned from one of the matsters, Pope Bobby of Talahassee.
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You are right about that! However, the car he stole belonged to a teammate and for all we know, he "borrows" it all the time. I think if you let that go, the punishment is not right but on par with other programs.
 
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(hatvol96 @ May 26 said:
Ravi Moss was suspended by the NCAA, not Rich Brooks. The inappropriate comment was just the final in a long string of problems with Raymond Henderson.
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I've still never heard what this string of problems involve. I hadn't heard of anything bad happening with him until he was already booted.
 
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(kptvol @ May 26 said:
I've still never heard what this string of problems involve. I hadn't heard of anything bad happening with him until he was already booted.
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Why would we know if the guy is a knucklehead? Unless he gets arrested, a player's conduct should be an in house matter.
 
#23
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(hatvol96 @ May 26 said:
Why would we know if the guy is a knucklehead? Unless he gets arrested, a player's conduct should be an in house matter.
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True, I just feel like the whole thing was handled kind of strangely. It seems he got canned very abruptly, with basically no explanation. I'd like to know some more details. Personally, I don't think that it was handled in an in house matter. Sure they may not have released everything, but Fulmer let it be known that an inappropriate comment was made to a minor. It sounds like they basically only released the most humiliating part and kept everything else under wraps.
 
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(kptvol @ May 26 said:
True, I just feel like the whole thing was handled kind of strangely. It seems he got canned very abruptly, with basically no explanation. I'd like to know some more details. Personally, I don't think that it was handled in an in house matter. Sure they may not have released everything, but Fulmer let it be known that an inappropriate comment was made to a minor. It sounds like they basically only released the most humiliating part and kept everything else under wraps.
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My position on the current head coach is well known. However, I think it's his prerogative as to what he chooses to release in these situations. He may be sparing Henderson further embarassment by not publicizing what he did to get himself on such a short leash.
 
#25
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i cant understand how anybody would think a 3 game suspension is a good enough punishment for somebody that committed grand theft auto, underage drinking, and dui. if that was me that did all that, i would be getting locked up for several years for sure. all this kid has to do is miss 3 stupid football games???? nobody can really ever say fulmer is too easy on his players after this--i dont know how richt can honestly live with himself for not punishing this kid any worse than this
 
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