UGA Suspension

#26
#26
(IBleedOrange @ May 27 said:
i cant understand how anybody would think a 3 game suspension is a good enough punishment for somebody that committed grand theft auto, underage drinking, and dui. if that was me that did all that, i would be getting locked up for several years for sure. all this kid has to do is miss 3 stupid football games???? nobody can really ever say fulmer is too easy on his players after this--i dont know how richt can honestly live with himself for not punishing this kid any worse than this
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I don't know how people who spend their time shrieking about harsh punishments for youngsters who make mistakes live with themselves.
 
#27
#27
(hatvol96 @ May 27 said:
I don't know how people who spend their time shrieking about harsh punishments for youngsters who make mistakes live with themselves.
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i dont spend my time "shrieking" about harsh punishments for youngsters but i guess you think it is okay to steal cars and drive drunk and only get suspended from playing football and not actually being punished. and i am not sure how you warrant stealing a car as a mistake. i always thought a mistake was something you never intentionally meant to do, i'm pretty sure when somebody steals a car that they had time to think about it before they actually stole the thing. but i guess if it was your car that got stolen, maybe you would see things a little differently
 
#28
#28
(IBleedOrange @ May 27 said:
i dont spend my time "shrieking" about harsh punishments for youngsters but i guess you think it is okay to steal cars and drive drunk and only get suspended from playing football and not actually being punished. and i am not sure how you warrant stealing a car as a mistake. i always thought a mistake was something you never intentionally meant to do, i'm pretty sure when somebody steals a car that they had time to think about it before they actually stole the thing. but i guess if it was your car that got stolen, maybe you would see things a little differently
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If you would actually look at the facts you might make a valid point. One, it was a teammates car. Do you actually think he was "stealing" the car? Was he going to Mexico and never returning to Athens? His teammate has to report it stolen to prevent problems in collecting the insurance on the vehicle. If you're unhappy with the handling of the criminal case, that's the DA's sphere of influence, not Mark Richt's. For what the young man was actually convicted of, 3 games is more than adequate discipline.
 
#29
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(hatvol96 @ May 27 said:
If you would actually look at the facts you might make a valid point. One, it was a teammates car. Do you actually think he was "stealing" the car? Was he going to Mexico and never returning to Athens? His teammate has to report it stolen to prevent problems in collecting the insurance on the vehicle. If you're unhappy with the handling of the criminal case, that's the DA's sphere of influence, not Mark Richt's. For what the young man was actually convicted of, 3 games is more than adequate discipline.
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If he is reporting the car as stolen then it has to be stolen, right? Otherwise the owner would be committing insurance fraud wouldn't he?
 
#30
#30
(vol_freak @ May 27 said:
If he is reporting the car as stolen then it has to be stolen, right? Otherwise the owner would be committing insurance fraud wouldn't he?
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Yes . . . But I think this is being overanalyzed a little bit. Either way the car is damaged and if the vehicle has collision coverage, the company is compelled to pay to repair/replace the vehicle. The company would no doubt sue the guy that stole the car to recover the damages, but that would be secondary to getting the car repaired. There's no reason for the owner to report the car stolen if it wasn't. He's got a claim either way.
 
#32
#32
(GAVol @ May 27 said:
Yes . . . But I think this is being overanalyzed a little bit. Either way the car is damaged and if the vehicle has collision coverage, the company is compelled to pay to repair/replace the vehicle. The company would no doubt sue the guy that stole the car to recover the damages, but that would be secondary to getting the car repaired. There's no reason for the owner to report the car stolen if it wasn't. He's got a claim either way.
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Not if the owner knowingly allowed an intoxicated person to use the vehicle.
 
#33
#33
(vol_freak @ May 27 said:
If he is reporting the car as stolen then it has to be stolen, right? Otherwise the owner would be committing insurance fraud wouldn't he?
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Not necessarily. My point about this portion of the story is that most states have a joyriding statute, which addresses taking a vehicle without permission but without out the intent to permanently deprive the owner of possession of the vehicle. I think that fits this case. It covers the owner, while not exposing the person taking the vehicle to the severe penalties that would come with a felony theft.
 
#34
#34
(hatvol96 @ May 27 said:
Not if the owner knowingly allowed an intoxicated person to use the vehicle.
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I'm making the assumption that nobody could be that stupid.
 
#35
#35
(hatvol96 @ May 27 said:
Not necessarily. My point about this portion of the story is that most states have a joyriding statute, which addresses taking a vehicle without permission but without out the intent to permanently deprive the owner of possession of the vehicle. I think that fits this case. It covers the owner, while not exposing the person taking the vehicle to the severe penalties that would come with a felony theft.
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I was unaware of the joyriding statute. However, the fact remains that if he is saying the car was stolen (taken without permission--either short term or permanently), then the car was stolen. Just because they are teammates doesn't change anything imo.

If the story is changing in any way becuase of insurance purposes, like you implied, then that is fraud in my mind.
 
#36
#36
My take: What was the level of intoxication when he 'borrowed' the vehicle.

Was he wasted when he stole the car, or did he steal the car and then get wasted.

Either way it's a lot of bad decisions, but that would probably influence my punishment.

Alcohol makes smart kids do dumb things.
 
#37
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Well, I look at it this way. I'm wanting to teach, and if I EVER got a DUI, my career would be over before it starts. Why is it different if you're an athlete?
 
#38
#38
(jwells @ May 28 said:
Well, I look at it this way. I'm wanting to teach, and if I EVER got a DUI, my career would be over before it starts. Why is it different if you're an athlete?
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exactly...a dui ruins a lot of people like that but just because you know how to play a little football and know people in high places they usually just get punished by missing a few games. if i stole a friend's car only for a short time i'm pretty sure i wouldn't even get some sort of probation, they'd be locking me up for a couple of years especially by the time you throw a dui in there on top of that
 
#39
#39
Punishment was fine.

The car was never stolen in the sense that he was taking it and never coming back.

He is missing 2 big games because of it.

Seems reasonable
 
#40
#40
(CajunDawg @ Jun 2 said:
Punishment was fine.

The car was never stolen in the sense that he was taking it and never coming back.

He is missing 2 big games because of it.

Seems reasonable
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3 Game suspension. Western Kentucky, at South Carolina and UAB?

2 "Big" Games?

ooooooooooook :focus:
 
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