Unbalanced Schedules

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Vol in Buckeye Land said:
FWIW, Josh Pate said on last night’s show that UT, TU, Bummer, UGA, and Ole Miss would all be in the playoff with 10 wins. 1 G5, 1 ACC, 1 Big 12, 3 B1G, 5 SEC. 🤷🏽‍♂️
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Might not agree with it, but I like it. In a playoff the only teams that would scare me are other SEC teams. Not to say Tennessee would win against out of conference teams but I think Tennessee would have a better chance of winning.
 
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unbalanced schedules have always been a problem. Now that we have super conferences it is much worse. I think this year being so bad is just an anomaly.

However we like to complain about the other conferences, but the SEC is just as bad this year. There is a chance that 7 SEC teams finish 10-2 . Of those seven teams only Alabama would have played those teams 3 times. with the rest only playing 2 games amongst the 7 best in the SEC
 
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VolCalls said:
At game time, yes. But all that matters on selection day is where things stand at that particular moment. And today, we only have one win vs a ranked team, which doesn’t do us any favors. It is what it is.

At some point you have to take off the orange colored glasses and look at things objectively.
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At some point, you have to realize you can't read posts and you shouldn't call out a kool-aid drinker that is not such a thing.

"We, or any other team, should not be penalized for that" (from an earlier post in reply to you.)

Clearly, I would argue my point (and was) for any team it applied to. Like I said, it doesn't carry the weight it should. How many ranked opponents do/did you play at game time. When this is not a siginificantly weighted factor, almost every upper level conference team loses credit.

Miami will go the entire regular season w/o a gamtime ranked opponent.
BYU only 1
IU none
UO only 2
tOSU only 2 and lost one of those

The only teams that play and abundance of ranked teams at game time are SEC teams, mainly because 9 of 16 are still ranked after 9.

And we all know the only thing that matters on selection day is how do they prop up their little handful of darlings at everyone elses expense. Needs to be far less subjectivity.
 
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GVF said:
I think rankings at game time are extremely relevant. How would you propose predicting said team will be worthless 9 games in and not giving decent credit for the vistory.
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Probably by not releasing a ranking until 2/3 of the season is played, which is what the CFP committee does. They don’t care about what a team is or was ranked in the AP or Coaches poll. They only care about what a team is currently ranked in their own poll. They have made exceptions for if a team loses some star players and as a result lose games afterwards. Like if Nico doesn’t play and we lose to UGA, then they would consider Arkansas’s win over us to be better than UGA’s.
 
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VolCalls said:
Finally, a sound, rational argument for comparing two teams using one of the same data points the CFP committee uses. If it comes down to these two competing for the final at-large spot, the Vols are in for the reasons you stated.
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We would be in because of the dollars the Vols will generate with either a home game or road playoff game. Our fans will fill Neyland and travel if required. Money talks. 12 team playoff is more about revenue production than competitive playoff system.
 
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VolCalls said:
At game time, yes. But all that matters on selection day is where things stand at that particular moment. And today, we only have one win vs a ranked team, which doesn’t do us any favors. It is what it is.

At some point you have to take off the orange colored glasses and look at things objectively.
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Texas has 0 wins against ranked teams but I haven’t heard anyone suggest Bama is going to take their spot in the playoffs.
 
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NATHAN05 said:
I agree with you and OP as well............but the biggest reason for the committee / NCAA / ESPN / bowl sites will be turnout and audience tune-in........all about that $$$ nowadays. (which will still get TN in based on fan base)
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it worries me that the Vols do travel so well, and bring eyes to the product that we get left in the cold bc they know we’ll still show out for a non playoff bowl. I think it all depends on this Georgia game; we win it don’t matter. We have a close game: I think we get in. If Georgia wins convincingly then I’m not sure if we get in.
 
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Indiana has zero losses and Tennessee only has one. That is the current reality. How an 11-1 Indiana and a 10-2 Tennessee get treated will be determined by who each team would end up potentially losing to. No way to speculate on that today.

All our team needs to do is focus on beating Georgia. That is where our salvation lies. The SEC Championship is the first goal. We can worry about who doesn't win their way into the playoffs and their possible backsliding ways of sneaking in later on.
 
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cbrown said:
As we near the end of the season and playoff debates are starting to heat up (which I think is great for CFB), how the playoff committee incorporates SOS will be massive. For example, If it comes down to an 11-1 Indiana vs a 10-2 Tennessee (or any other 10-2 SEC team for that matter), how will Indiana's SOS be judged? I don't know how many ratings are out there, but I found a few below with a quick search. While Indiana has had a fantastic year, only one of their conference opponents to this point has a winning record OVERALL (Nebraska at 5-4). Even though Tennessee has only played two conference teams with winning records (Alabama at 7-2 and Arkansas at 5-4), I would argue that, from top to bottom, the SEC is still a much stronger league than the Big10 and the teams in the bottom half of the SEC are generally going to be better than their Big10 counterparts. 69% of SEC teams currently have a winning record overall compared to 44% of the Big10.

If we were to be left out in favor of Indiana, how would that affect our scheduling moving forward? For example, if we had attempted to schedule and beaten another blue blood this year, would that have made a difference? Does the SEC add a 9th conference game if they believe SEC teams were penalized for only playing eight? There will be some interesting scheduling implications based on how this plays out.

ESPN: Tennessee #35, Indiana #100
Sagarin: Tennessee #36, Indiana #81
Team Rankings: Tennessee #13, Indiana #56
Massey: Tennessee #32, Indiana #63
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Which is why eventually the top division in college football must shrink its membership and only allow games between teams in the top division. Imagine 4 “conferences” with 10 teams each…you play 9 conference games and then games against opponents from the other three conferences. Top 3 teams from each conference make the playoffs with the conference champs getting a first round bye…very much like thecNFL
 
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If we look like a championship contender this weekend and Ohio State blows out Indiana we’ll be ahead of them in the rankings
 
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VolCalls said:
That's exactly my point - we can't argue that our schedule is tougher simply because we played teams who were once ranked but turned out to be mediocre.
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Or they turned out to be mediocre once our D destroyed their starting quarterback haha
 
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I’m no fan of this current landscape. It was done to:
a) make more money for ESPN and some universities
b) reduce SEC dominance in CFB
It is what it is now.
 
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utvols74 said:
I’m no fan of this current landscape. It was done to:
a) make more money for ESPN and some universities
b) reduce SEC dominance in CFB
It is what it is now.
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They still got some work to do on this one. This week poll still has 9 of 16 teams ranked. No one else comes close.
 
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Im surprised anyone would fault TN’s schedule as we play Georgia and Alabama every year. We added Oklahoma and we also play Florida. Together they have won almost half the national championships this century. If we get to play Texas in the conference championship, I believe that puts our opponents at 12 of the past 24 national champions.

What is anyone else doing to play a tougher schedule than we have? Nothing. At best, they happened to play one out of conference foe that stayed ranked.
 
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DC_Vol said:
Texas has 0 wins against ranked teams but I haven’t heard anyone suggest Bama is going to take their spot in the playoffs.
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At some point you have to replace your orange tinted glasses with a different shade of orange.

Someone told me that to betray my own makes me more open-minded.
 
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adam.vol said:
Im surprised anyone would fault TN’s schedule as we play Georgia and Alabama every year. We added Oklahoma and we also play Florida. Together they have won almost half the national championships this century. If we get to play Texas in the conference championship, I believe that puts our opponents at 12 of the past 24 national champions.

What is anyone else doing to play a tougher schedule than we have? Nothing. At best, they happened to play one out of conference foe that stayed ranked.
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You can't base your schedule strength off of previous seasons, especially when two of those are paper tigers.
 
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OrangeCola said:
unbalanced schedules have always been a problem. Now that we have super conferences it is much worse. I think this year being so bad is just an anomaly.

However we like to complain about the other conferences, but the SEC is just as bad this year. There is a chance that 7 SEC teams finish 10-2 . Of those seven teams only Alabama would have played those teams 3 times. with the rest only playing 2 games amongst the 7 best in the SEC
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but does that mean the SEC is bad with so many possibly finishing 10-2 or does that mean the SEC is good and beat each other?
 
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VolCalls said:
You can't base your schedule strength off of previous seasons, especially when two of those are paper tigers.
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I see paper tigers thrown around here a lot. Which of these programs would you consider non-threatening to TN on the field? It seems that the worst one took us to overtime at home.
 
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adam.vol said:
I see paper tigers thrown around here a lot. Which of these programs would you consider non-threatening to TN on the field? It seems that the worst one took us to overtime at home.
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I think we’re not the dominant force on the field that many on here think we are. If we were, we wouldn’t have blown a 14-3 lead to Arkansas, needed OT to beat Florida, and scored a total of 7 first half points over four consecutive games. The ship is taking on water.
 
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