Unemployment rate falls to 9.7 percent

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oklavol said:
Interesting graph. Link?
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you want a link to something you know logically to be true? We just can't keep shedding jobs in perpetuity. Bush hovered around "full employment" for the majority of his awful 8 years. A recession drove us through the 10% barrier, despite our passage of the urgently needed stimulus.
 
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#77
And this was after Obama swore up and down that the stimulus would not allow unemployment above 9...or maybe even 8.5. Not sure of the exact number but he said without the stimulus we would see UE at 10 or higher and used that as a reason to pass it. Ooops.
 
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VolInMn said:
Let me rephrase. What are you trying to say? Were you inferring that I support not working?
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no. I was saying that you find suckling at the government teet a problem, which doesn't fit well with your support for the current lot of sucklers at the helm.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
no. I was saying that you find suckling at the government teet a problem, which doesn't fit well with your support for the current lot of sucklers at the helm.
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I was being sarcastic, shockingly, that his dad would do such a thing.

I think people who are able to work, should. I certainly don't support paying someone else's way simply because they don't want to work.

Having said that, there are situations where we, as a society, should help folks who are unable to work.
 
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VolInMn said:
I was being sarcastic, shockingly, that his dad would do such a thing.

but you have no idea whether his dad has done such a thing. Seems to me that you should have no problem with his father, if he has done so, using the program for which it was intended. The real sucklers are the ones Obama spent his Chicago years whining for. Those guys are pure frictional expense to the world.

I think people who are able to work, should. I certainly don't support paying someone else's way simply because they don't want to work.

We agree, but the system currently in place does nothing to preclude this problem. It might pay lip service to the issue, but has in no way addressed it.

Having said that, there are situations where we, as a society, should help folks who are unable to work.
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See Bold.

My first response addresses your last point as well. I don't think anyone on either side of the aisle has a problem with providing a helping hand. Multi-generational welfare and housing is a different can of worms altogether. Amazingly enough, multi-generational welfare was as predictable as tomorrow's sunrise.
 
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lumberjack4 said:
What happened to people who fell upon hard times before all these social programs?
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some suffered mightily and others were taken care of by the community and churches. It was a better system then, in that there was an enormous disincentive to long term worthlessness. However, there wasn't anything for those who fell upon hard times through no fault of their own.

Tough to find a system to address both needs, especially at the federal level, hence it needs to once again be localized.
 
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#84
Back then there was real incentive to get back on your feet since charitable people and churches wouldn't tolerate someone living on welfare for 30 years.
 
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#85
That and many churches have members who don't feel a need to help anyone outside of the membership who have fallen on bad times. Few charities have the money or resources and few churches have an attitude of helping those in need outside the doors of the building.
 
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#86
That's not necessarily true for churches and charities pre FDR. I know many people that today have little desire to give to charities to help people when they are already forking over 30% of their paycheck to pay for welfare. If we were to eliminate, or at the very least massively cut back on these monstrosities, the American people would be much more willing to give. Many churches go out of their way to help people in the community because its good PR to get their name out there.
 
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#87
one way to ensure that churches and charities have more funds is to have more conservatives. It's been proven conclusively that the right, as a whole, gives far more to charity than the left does.
 
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#90
I wouldn't know because I didn't make the assertion. That's why I asked. :hi:

I take it that's a "yes"?
 
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#91
TennTradition said:
I don't think he was assuming, he was just going off of what you said.....
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VolInMn said:
No, I didn't assume he wasn't. You said he wasn't.[/QUOTE]

My point was, that he has been looking, and so far it has been futile. At some point it will change, it just hasn't, no matter what your chart says. And IMO will not until Obama totally changes direction, or is voted out. Sad thing is for my dad, and many others, they will have to wait for the later.


Your particular post was pretty classless. Considering the situation.
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BigPapaVol said:
See Bold.

My first response addresses your last point as well. I don't think anyone on either side of the aisle has a problem with providing a helping hand. Multi-generational welfare and housing is a different can of worms altogether. Amazingly enough, multi-generational welfare was as predictable as tomorrow's sunrise.
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This happen around close to where I live.

This girl was between the ages of 16 - 18 and she got pregnant, became an unwed mother. The father spent his time drinking and partying down, anything but working.
Everybody else who worked paid for this child's upbringing, and the mother collected checks until this child turned 18.

She was about 36-38 then. 38 and no check, faced with having to work for a living. What to do? She promptly went and got pregnant again. 18 more years of work free living.

Somebody's gotta pay for these things, and it should be the parents, not everybody else.
 
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lumberjack4 said:
What happened to people who fell upon hard times before all these social programs?
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My Greatgrandmother came into a lot of land when my Greatgrandfather died, back in the 1920's. But she had several children to raise. Over time, she had to sell all the land to feed her children. And for those in her condition, she was one of those who had a lot better than most.
 
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#95
utvolpj said:
my company had many choose an early retirement package instead of going thru the next round of lay-offs. Not sure how those numbers would be added up either. Can't believe we're the only ones doing it
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Actually this is going on quite a bit in the oil industry these days.
 
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MG1968 said:
one way to ensure that churches and charities have more funds is to have more conservatives. It's been proven conclusively that the right, as a whole, gives far more to charity than the left does.
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Lol, that is all.
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BeecherVol said:
VolInMn said:
No, I didn't assume he wasn't. You said he wasn't.[/QUOTE]

My point was, that he has been looking, and so far it has been futile. At some point it will change, it just hasn't, no matter what your chart says. And IMO will not until Obama totally changes direction, or is voted out. Sad thing is for my dad, and many others, they will have to wait for the later.


Your particular post was pretty classless. Considering the situation.
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My point was predicated on what you said about telling him to "start looking for a job".

What industry was he in, btw?
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#98
He worked for an electrical supply company, out of Nashville. Started out as a truck driver, and worked his way up to being the warehouse manager. 30+ years of service with the same company.

He wants to work, even if he is giving the government a lot more than is necessary.
 
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#100
Not completely, but its on its way. He wasn't the only one. There were two guys that had been there longer than him, that were let go as well.
 
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