unimpressive numbers for signees Reese and Edwards

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DeepSpringsVol said:
And he was amazing. His number is hanging in the rafters at TBA!!!! #22 will never be worn again....oh wait lol
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Pearl was a walk on who got on the team to play for his dad. Played a pretty good game for us often guarding players much bigger. He was very tenancious and brought a lot of energy to the court.
 
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calban said:
I second that.
Why not Kevin Oneal #2?
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If you ever saw, or especially heard Kevin O'Neill coach, you would know why this is a bad comparison. I see where you are going based on production, but that's about where the comparison stops.
 
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model I can think of. Boring Big 10 guy who thinks straight man is the ONLY way to go, preaching discipline on offense and stubborn to a fault about his "system." Very convinced of his ability to compete in the SEC with guys other team's didn't want. Only Coach Martin wasn't fortunate enough to have Reggie Johnson, Howard Wood, Terry Crosby, Johnny Darden, Bert Bertelkamp and one of the most underrated Vols of all time - Gary Carter - on his first roster. Worked out for well for DeVoe until the shot clock rules changed and the team started being made up entirely of his recruits. Also, he got one very good recruit (actually Tom Deaton did) - Dale Ellis - in his first year that carried him a bit, too. Maybe Stokes can do the same for Coach Martin.

As for the recruits, I just think Coach Martin wasn't very patient. He signed Reese immediately after coming back from China after seeing the kid have a good week of AAU ball and getting a good recommendation from his AAU coach, who apparently has some Tennessee ties. Reese is the fourth option on a very good high school team, who apparently has to be coaxed to shoot. Reportedly not a great athlete, he reminds me a lot of the Matt Dotson signing in Buzz's last year - 6-8 guy who plays on the perimeter, recruited by ASUN and lower level CUSA schools who suddenly gets an offer from Tennessee and jumps on it.

Edwards shows some signs of being a player, although he got shut down when his school played Forbes' NW Florida team and Chipola (two top 10 JUCO teams) in a tournament two weeks ago. I'll bet he winds up as a face up 4 here and not a wing. As a JUCO, he'll just take up a roster spot for two years anyway. So if he doesn't work out, it isn't a roster killer move.

Again, a kid they signed without much evaluation. Saw him in a JUCO showcase in September. Went to watch him work out in October and made the offer during the official visit. Bam!, kid jumps on it. Can't blame him or Reese.

cncchris33 said:
If you ever saw, or especially heard Kevin O'Neill coach, you would no why this is a bad comparison. I see where you are going based on production, but that's about where the comparison stops.
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I suppose this is the OP's start of the FIRE CUONZO campaign. Some of our fans are just ridiculous. The FIRE DOOLEY contingent is out in full force so now they want to can CM. Constant coaching changes will just add to the chaos, but many fail to understand this.
 
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calban said:
I second that.
Why not Kevin Oneal #2?
Oneal never had a winning season at UT.
Houston had 2 and 2 NIT appearances.
I smell racism.
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I have something you can smell right here.

Wade Houston is a mediphor for bad coaching - it has nothing, I repeat nothing to do with the color of his skin. Wade actually was a good guy - good businessman - fair recruiter but was overmatched as a head coach.

When I am being critical of Martin's coaching or recruiting, I always try to throw in Buzz or Oneal along with Houston so all the race baiters won't get thier panties in a wad.

It is unfortunate that Wade was a person of color from a comparison standpoint. I think at the time some were arguing that the only reason Wade was fired was because he was a person of color. The fact that his team was 5 - 22 and had the worse record in 37 years might have also entered into the equation.

It is too early to judge Coach Martin's coaching and recruiting ability -- but it is never wrong to compare a poor record and poor coaching to Wade Houston's tenure --why --- because Wade had the worst record in the 37 years prior and the 15 years after he was fired. He unfortunately set the bar.
 
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Dane Bradshaw didn't have great numbers, but led his team to 2 state titles and I'd take him over any player currently starting on UT's team right now, positions 1-5.
 
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pl3 said:
Dane Bradshaw didn't have great numbers, but led his team to 2 state titles and I'd take him over any player currently starting on UT's team right now, positions 1-5.
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Dane played smart. Great passer. Could usually take his man one on one. Good defender. His assist to turnover ratio was off the chart. Not a very good shooter. There are a couple of positions where he would be an upgrade over the current players imo.
 
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No indication either one of these guys is that type player. No championships yet. But, we can hope.
pl3 said:
Dane Bradshaw didn't have great numbers, but led his team to 2 state titles and I'd take him over any player currently starting on UT's team right now, positions 1-5.
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guys check out the stats for Reese again. Its dated Jan. 14, 2011...so yeah that was last year. Good try tho! Hopefully he's improved, because like the OP said he did have a decent AAU year from what I heard.
 
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germanicus said:
No indication either one of these guys is that type player. No championships yet. But, we can hope.
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I realize that but not many on this forum would know the players' games anyway. Lower points doesn't mean you can't play and higher points doesn't mean you can.
 
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pl3 said:
I realize that but not many on this forum would know the players' games anyway. Lower points doesn't mean you can't play and higher points doesn't mean you can.
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I agree completely. There is much more to being a contributor than your scoring average. Obviously, this staff thought they could contribute or they wouldn't have signed them.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
I agree completely. There is much more to being a contributor than your scoring average. Obviously, this staff thought they could contribute or they wouldn't have signed them.
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I don't know and can't look now, but i'd like to know hall and Cams hs averages.
 
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pl3 said:
I don't know and can't look now, but i'd like to know hall and Cams hs averages.
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I don't know either, but suspect they probably look pretty impressive. Unfortunate that that didn't equate to production at the college level.
 
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Found Hall's JR and SR stats.

Junior: 22.7 ppg / 12.6 rpg / 61% fg
Senior: 19.9 ppg / 10.4 rpg / 64% fg
 
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UTCVol said:
Found Hall's JR and SR stats.

Junior: 22.7 ppg / 12.6 rpg / 61% fg
Senior: 19.9 ppg / 10.4 rpg / 64% fg
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Peaked as a junior in HS? It's quite possible. Lots of athletes that played HS ball, peaked in HS. 90% I suppose. Hall just got a little farther due to his size.
 
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and Reese had an ASUN/CUSA/SunBelt list and Edwards was zeroed in on SunBelt/CUSA schools, with - reportedly - some interest from Texas A&M. In the end, you are right, we won't know anything about them until they land here.
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I realize that but not many on this forum would know the players' games anyway. Lower points doesn't mean you can't play and higher points doesn't mean you can.
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kamoshika said:
While I can't find complete stats for Reese, he's apparently averaging under 12 points and fewer than 7 rebounds per game as he's not listed on these leader lists:
Points per game - OrlandoSentinel.com
Rebounds per game - OrlandoSentinel.com

He is, however, doing a superb job at the FT line:
Free throw percentage - OrlandoSentinel.com

Reese reportedly made big strides in his game on the AAU circuit over the summer, but it's not showing up yet in his numbers.

Edwards is currently averaging just 12.3 points and 6.2 rebounds per game. He's hitting his FTs at a 78% clip but just 42% from the field:
NJCAA | Colleges | Brevard Community College | Basketball I | D'Montre Edwards

IMO, Edwards is still a good prospect and I could see him averaging 8-10 points and 4+ rebounds per game next year. Reese, OTOH...I'll be pleasantly surprised if he helps us out at all next year.

Coming out of West Ashley High School in Charleston, Edwards was only named all-region and honorable mention all-state but he's emerged as a very good juco player. Reese was named 5th team All-Orange County last year and maybe he'll earn similar recognition this year. But based solely on their high school accolades, the pair are the least ballyhooed signees we've signed in a long time.
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guys check out the stats for Reese again. Its dated Jan. 14, 2011...so yeah that was last year. Good try tho! Hopefully he's improved, because like the OP said he did have a decent AAU year from what I heard.
 
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Out of Olympia's 9 games, he's scored in double figures 3 times that I can tell - 19, 16 and 14. The Tulane signee and the PG seem to be the leaders of that team.
TMvol10 said:
guys check out the stats for Reese again. Its dated Jan. 14, 2011...so yeah that was last year. Good try tho! Hopefully he's improved, because like the OP said he did have a decent AAU year from what I heard.
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